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      04-07-2020, 08:15 PM   #23
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where did I say a cop would have any clue who he was?

he left a path of destruction blocks long, left the scene of one of the impacts - you casually let him go another block and the next van he hits is full of kids?
Your words:

"I also am appalled they didn't have guns drawn and make him eat pavement after they safely commanded him walk backwards clear of the vehicle. Just strolling out and putting his hands in his pockets - what the mother f?!

He'll get a get out of jail card...."


I have no idea who this guy is, nor do I care. But it seems like you and some of the other posters know who he is and the implication is that he's going to get off....maybe, but maybe not.

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I also am appalled they didn't have guns drawn and make him eat pavement after they safely commanded him walk backwards clear of the vehicle. Just strolling out and putting his hands in his pockets - what the mother f?!
so if you have an accident, you expect the police to pistol point you when they show up?
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so if you have an accident, you expect the police to pistol point you when they show up?
He fled the seen of an accident. I’m not sure why they wouldn’t have taken precautionary measures. What if it was a stolen vehicle?

Very douche move if you ask me.

The guy will walk with a slap on the wrist
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He fled the seen of an accident. I’m not sure why they wouldn’t have taken precautionary measures. What if it was a stolen vehicle?
its unclear how far he actually made it, but its not a reason to pistol point someone. secondary to that, he appears to be cooperative. once you put someone in handcuffs, miranda can become a factor in the investigation. i suspect what you're witnessing in the video is the beginnings of an investigation, and it starts with observation. they're watching him walk around (without his hands in handcuffs) unrestricted observing his unsteady gait. they are talking to him, listening to his slurred speech, and looking at his bloodshot, red, watery eyes. they may just even catch a whiff of an alcoholic beverage emitting from his breath and person.

do you understand how this could play out? i have no idea how this ended, by the way, i'm just throwing out a hypothetical scenario.
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so if you have an accident, you expect the police to pistol point you when they show up?
The post by Murf993 didn't quote correctly - I said what you are responding to.

I'm not a police officer and thankfully am not too familiar with situations like this.

Who knows why they did it they way they did.

The approach appears way too casual on the officer's behalf imo.
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      04-07-2020, 11:06 PM   #32
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The post by Murf993 didn't quote correctly - I said what you are responding to.

I'm not a police officer and thankfully am not too familiar with situations like this.

Who knows why they did it they way they did.

The approach appears way too casual on the officer's behalf imo.
read my other response to someone else in post #30. plus, lets say this did go out as a hit and run. he didn't make it far and it doesn't look like anyone got hurt. probably a misdemeanor at best.

thats why law enforcement is so weird these days. your perception could be vastly different than someone that thinks a certain police response is overkill. they can never get it right.
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Very weird sitting! Why wouldn’t they have him in cuffs?
Because they want him to talk. Simple. Once you put the cuffs on, someone figures they are going to jail and they aren't going to spill all the beans on themselves. Not hard to get someone to talk and incriminate when they are drunk and in this case, the person most certainly deserves it. One thing that people may not realize is how fragile "evidence" can be. If something happened, you often need 5 or 6 ways or showing that was in fact the case and that it did happen. If the defense tears apart one of these on a technicality, you need a fall-back to show what actually happened. This is also addressing the "beyond a reasonable doubt". If you have 5 or 6 pieces of evidence showing something and one of those gets thrown out on a technicality, you likely still have enough evidence to still maintain "beyond a reasonable doubt". Otherwise, if you put all your hope in one piece and it gets thrown out, you've just wasted a ton of time and resources for nothing.

If you read about Miranda Rights, you'll see they don't go exactly hand in hand with arrests and if the Police are in the "trying to figure out what happened"-phase, it's unlikely they are going to "read someone their rights". If the guy didn't comply or offer information, then they'd probably arrest him and read him those rights in the car on the way to the station, but if he wants to talk...

The police see it as a fairly straightforward matter, guy drunk, hit cars, they want to gather as much information and evidence as possible to prove this. If the guy is cooperative, it will cut him *some* slack...but it will also cause the DA to "throw the book" at him, and the plea deal will be that "slack". That may or may not be beneficial if he just shut his mouth and saved everything for court, but being cooperative should count for *something*.
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      04-08-2020, 12:33 AM   #34
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NYPD isn't going to get so excited over a drunk asshole crashing his expensive car that they're pulling out a pistol. These cops see far worse on the regular.

I'll never forget watching some Hercules Unit cops deal with two guys fighting on the ground on the west side. They showed up and quickly assessed what was going on. Then they SO calmly spread out this sorta heavy canvas blanket on the ground with seat belt strappping and buckles. They used this blanket thing to roll up the two guys fighting together like they were the filling in a burrito. They buckled the blanket up, and carried them away like an old carpet. It was nuts how uneventful it was for these cops.
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What a shit driver. And if he was drunk driving, then f him for being a POS on top of all that. Could have easily struck a pedestrian.
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so if you have an accident, you expect the police to pistol point you when they show up?
Just to be clear, that wasn't what I said. I share the view that the cops had no reason to gun point this guy and ground him into the pavement. I was replying to post #7 by particulardude.

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The post by Murf993 didn't quote correctly - I said what you are responding to.

I'm not a police officer and thankfully am not too familiar with situations like this.

Who knows why they did it they way they did.

The approach appears way too casual on the officer's behalf imo.
I cut and pasted your exact words so I quoted you correctly. Clearly you're not a police officer. But I was for over 30 years in a major NA city. This is pretty much text book handling. There is no reason to point guns, throw the guy on the ground and frankly no rush to put cuffs on the guy. It's called an investigation. Before you arrest someone for impaired or anything else for that matter you have to be satisfied that you have reasonable and probably grounds that an offence has been committed. People crash cars for lots of reasons and impaired driving in only one. This guy could've had a medical issue that caused him to lose control for example. There are so many armchair quarterbacks who always know how the police should've handled any given situation and would be quick to point out if they think they over reacted as fast as if they under reacted.

Like I said, it looks to me like the copper handled it just fine. This guy is rich apparently, so what. He will go through the process and let the chips fall. It's up to the courts and the lawyers now. And given all the cameras now (this video is a great illustration) had the cops gun pointed him or grounded him hard what do you think his lawyers would do with that?

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Probably had his traction and ESP switched off, that's why they usually lose it.
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Probably had his traction and ESP switched off, that's why they usually lose it.
And he had summer tires on. It was still a bit chilly in the morning. Important lesson on warming up your tires before going on a rampage in NYC folks.
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And he had summer tires on. It was still a bit chilly in the morning. Important lesson on warming up your tires before going on a rampage in NYC folks.
And likely more car than driver.....
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Probably had his traction and ESP switched off, that's why they usually lose it.
Rear tires were off by 1 PSI

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