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      01-10-2019, 10:48 PM   #155
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Two words: Eminent Domain. Good luck with that in Texas.

Ask GWB how that went for him well over a decade ago and with cases STILL going on.
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Might want to research ‘omnibus bill’ because like most conservative news stories the implication is false.
False or not what is true is that the Dems and Republicans all vote, year after year, to give Israel billions of dollars to help bolster their defense. Part of that money was used to build walls. These walls work pretty damn well. So it's ok to spend billions in building walls in a foreign country but not ok to do so in the US.
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Yah, I don’t like the Israel example. Like you said it is considerably easier to protect a much smaller country like that than one the size of the US. But, I agree barriers do have their place, especially in very high population areas etc. The existing ones we have plus investing in tech and more agents etc is the way to go IMO. If there is a legit study that shows a physical barrier is truly necessary in a specific area, I’m not opposed to adding more either.

I also think those memes and Trump talking about people having walls around their houses is the silliest argument of all time. Those don’t work well either without tech or active security personal on the premises.
You think this will be a medieval wall with a moat around it?

Of course it will have a high tech surveillance system built in. Including system to detect tunneling, which btw the Israelis already implemented. Each year the democrats and republicans tend to be in agreement in giving Israel billions to help bolster their defense and border security, yet somehow when it come to the US "it's too much money".
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      01-11-2019, 12:43 AM   #158
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So, reading that article - when Trump says he's going to "Build a Wall", he means he's going to build a physical barrier of some kind ("If we had a barrier of any kind, whether it's steel or concrete, ...") - not necessarily 1,000 miles of "wall", but probably a mixture of fence and wall depending on local conditions?

Is that everybody else's understanding?


Edit: Also, can anyone link me a summary of "the administration's "zero tolerance" immigration policies."?
In campaign stop after campaign stop he usually said a very beautiful very tall concrete wall. Now who the eff knows. I think it is a white picket fence with some flowers and shrubs.
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      01-11-2019, 12:57 AM   #159
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We should legalize weed everywhere and grow those shrubs on our side
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Two words: Eminent Domain. Good luck with that in Texas.

Ask GWB how that went for him well over a decade ago and with cases STILL going on.
The Bush administration didn't want to pay land owners anything. That will never work, people would have been fine giving up strips of land if they would get something back for it.
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Come on, read the articles. A lot of this is in use now and works well. Spend the money on the manpower etc to respond when the alarms are tripped. They are already tunneling under the existing walls. How do you think they detect that and respond to it? Do you think they just build the wall and go nothing else to do here and leave?
Thanks for not answering the question..wait..you did the alarm detects them as they walk in.
With no fence they don't have to tunnel.

I will keep waiting for a reply.
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Thanks for not answering the question..wait..you did the alarm detects them as they walk in.
With no fence they don't have to tunnel.

I will keep waiting for a reply.
And if walls don't work then why do prisons have walls around them?
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You missed the point. Trump never takes responsibility for any of his short-comings. He always blames someone else. Always.
This is an accurate statement. It is also a statement, however, that described every single President and politician we have had over the last 40 years, with maybe Reagan as an exception.

So, while I don't agree with Trump's refusal to admit fault for anything - I don't see how this is news, since every other politician does the same shit.
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You missed the point. Trump never takes responsibility for any of his short-comings. He always blames someone else. Always.
This is an accurate statement. It is also a statement, however, that described every single President and politician we have had over the last 40 years, with maybe Reagan as an exception.

So, while I don't agree with Trump's refusal to admit fault for anything - I don't see how this is news, since every other politician does the same shit.
Yup. I was thinking the same thing. It's as if the libs just discovered that politicians (both sides) lie constantly and never accept blame/fault for anything

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      01-11-2019, 08:59 AM   #165
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A very good point!

https://apple.news/AH6J-aaboQuycPKZovtzIZw
Wall Street Journal editorial: Conservatives 'could live to regret' Trump emergency declaration
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      01-11-2019, 09:01 AM   #166
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Thanks for not answering the question..wait..you did the alarm detects them as they walk in.
With no fence they don't have to tunnel.

I will keep waiting for a reply.
What exactly do you want answered. I thought I did. Then why do they keep discovering tunnels that have been there for a long time if they already have tech/sensors etc? This is also a response to another post.
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A very good point!

https://apple.news/AH6J-aaboQuycPKZovtzIZw
Wall Street Journal editorial: Conservatives 'could live to regret' Trump emergency declaration
Yup/agreed, just as usshelena725 said when the Dems changed the rules to get things passed. It always and will come around to bite you in the future.
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You missed the point. Trump never takes responsibility for any of his short-comings. He always blames someone else. Always.
This is an accurate statement. It is also a statement, however, that described every single President and politician we have had over the last 40 years, with maybe Reagan as an exception.

So, while I don't agree with Trump's refusal to admit fault for anything - I don't see how this is news, since every other politician does the same shit.
Yup. I was thinking the same thing. It's as if the libs just discovered that politicians (both sides) lie constantly and never accept blame/fault for anything

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The equivalency is a fallacy. Obama believed what he said. He was not making it up as he went along. Trump takes lying to a completely different level. He knows he's not telling the truth. There can be no argument with that. The only two previous presidents since 1900 that were pathological liars were Clinton and Nixon. But they were minor-leaguers compared to trump.
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Yup. I was thinking the same thing. It's as if the libs just discovered that politicians (both sides) lie constantly and never accept blame/fault for anything

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FWIW, Obama did kind of sort of admit he lied.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...flna8C11555216
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You missed the point. Trump never takes responsibility for any of his short-comings. He always blames someone else. Always.
This is an accurate statement. It is also a statement, however, that described every single President and politician we have had over the last 40 years, with maybe Reagan as an exception.

So, while I don't agree with Trump's refusal to admit fault for anything - I don't see how this is news, since every other politician does the same shit.
Yup. I was thinking the same thing. It's as if the libs just discovered that politicians (both sides) lie constantly and never accept blame/fault for anything

You can keep your doctor comes to mind
The equivalency is a fallacy. Obama believed what he said. He was not making it up as he went along. Trump takes lying to a completely different level. He knows he's not telling the truth. There can be no argument with that. The only two previous presidents since 1900 that were pathological liars were Clinton and Nixon. But they were minor-leaguers compared to trump.
Interesting. How do you know Obama believed what he said? I'm not disagreeing that Trump is a pathological liar but I think you are giving Obama waayyyy to much credit.

Edit: for the record. He's no saint

https://www.politifact.com/personali...yruling/false/
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Might want to research ‘omnibus bill’ because like most conservative news stories the implication is false.
So their getting the same fair shake with the media that Trump gets?
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You missed the point. Trump never takes responsibility for any of his short-comings. He always blames someone else. Always.
This is an accurate statement. It is also a statement, however, that described every single President and politician we have had over the last 40 years, with maybe Reagan as an exception.

So, while I don't agree with Trump's refusal to admit fault for anything - I don't see how this is news, since every other politician does the same shit.
Yup. I was thinking the same thing. It's as if the libs just discovered that politicians (both sides) lie constantly and never accept blame/fault for anything

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The equivalency is a fallacy. Obama believed what he said. He was not making it up as he went along. Trump takes lying to a completely different level. He knows he's not telling the truth. There can be no argument with that. The only two previous presidents since 1900 that were pathological liars were Clinton and Nixon. But they were minor-leaguers compared to trump.
Interesting. How do you know Obama believed what he said? I'm not disagreeing that Trump is a pathological liar but I think you are giving Obama waayyyy to much credit.
The preponderance of evidence of things I've read about him. He believed what he said. Much like H bush believing himself when he said read my lips no new taxes. The Obama promise seemed like an outlandish promise, but he seemed to know what he was talking about. Except he didn't know what he was talking about.
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I don't care much if the wall gets built or not. If it does, great. If it doesn't, the border has plenty of resources as it is. But does anyone have any idea how it will be paid for? I don't think we should pay for one. I thought there would be a more cohesive plan to make Mexico pay for it.
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The preponderance of evidence of things I've read about him. He believed what he said. Much like H bush believing himself when he said read my lips no new taxes. The Obama promise seemed like an outlandish promise, but he seemed to know what he was talking about. Except he didn't know what he was talking about.
This is true. He had zero expertise when it comes to medical insurance. Ultimately his advisers gave him bad information, if this was on purpose or not is debatable. Only thing you can really fault him for is following through on bad advice kind of like Bush II on Iraq.
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Thanks for not answering the question..wait..you did the alarm detects them as they walk in.
With no fence they don't have to tunnel.

I will keep waiting for a reply.
I do cybersecurity for a living. Physical security is somewhat similar in nature in that you need several defensive layers to provide adequate protection. Even with all that, if there is a will, there is a way. Some defensive measures are there simply to deter or slow down an advance to give you time to respond. Walls, like a firewall does just that. Totally appropriate IMO. Should be the length of all our land borders and used in conjunction with other sensors, guards, patrols, UAVs, tunnel detection technology etc. The wall is one important piece of a larger picture.
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I do cybersecurity for a living. Physical security is somewhat similar in nature in that you need several defensive layers to provide adequate protection. Even with all that, if there is a will, there is a way. Some defensive measures are there simply to deter or slow down an advance to give you time to respond. Walls, like a firewall does just that. Totally appropriate IMO. Should be the length of all our land borders and used in conjunction with other sensors, guards, patrols, UAVs, tunnel detection technology etc. The wall is one important piece of a larger picture.
I work for a major electric company. Started out in an IT role and then branched out. One project I'm still involved with is securing our substations. Let's just say that our grid is not as secure as we would like it to be. Although the power plants are ran like military installations our substations are pretty much open targets. I'm not going to get into what we have done to increase security but multiple fencing and walls are part of this system.
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