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The bottom line, is, I think, that the i3 won't embarrass itself - it can get up and go in the city environment where higher speeds like on an interstate may be more attuned to something with more power. Plus, if you drive at 10/10ths all the time, you're a menace in the city! The i3 can more than keep up with any sane driving, and get great efficiency while doing it. Many people that opt to own one will have a second (or more) car(s) that better meet their needs in other venues.
In a city, the 0-30 is much more an indication of what's needed than 0-60, or quarter mile time, which, if you should exercise, will likely land you in jail or at least without a license. And, in at least some places in the world (London is a good example), it not only saves in fuel, but tolls (in the congestion charge)...this can add up quite a bit over time. |
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11-10-2013, 10:41 PM | #114 |
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torque would've hurt it in this case, the M3 was battling wheel spin in 1st, into and through part of 2nd
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11-11-2013, 08:00 AM | #116 |
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Don't do it!! Take a deep breath and relax for a minute. BMW knows the M3 crowd is going to want the new best thing. They are going to offer a special trade in program for ///M owners that have i envy. Fear not, you won't be left behind.
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nice i3! surprising performance!
lol @ defensive M3 owners! my 135is has 317 torques out of the box. you mad? lol |
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The i8 is another interesting comparison with both the outgoing M3 and incoming M4 but I don't think that will be shown, well officially at least.
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lol. M3 got jumped?
say what?
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Best thing about the i3 is you can hear the M3's beautiful engine.
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So last year I sold my E39 M5 (I've owned 5 BMWs...still have an E36 M3) to lease a Chevy Volt. Here's the kicker with electric...you can use all of the power almost all the time. You are never caught in the wrong gear, never in the "oh crap, it - or I - just shifted to 2nd or 3rd and really should have stayed in a lower gear, but then I feel like an idiot waiting for an opening while running at 6500 rpm", etc. There is just no drama so you use more of the available power more of the time. Now, as a "car guy" (like most on these websites), I appreciate that the loss of drama (i.e. noise, feeling the build of power, timing a shift, etc.) can be viewed as a negative. Truthfully though, if my Volt had a bit better suspension and tires I might actually drive it at a higher average level of speed (and fun) than I did on my M5. The Volt's 0-60 time is a sad 8.9 seconds, but even with the M5 I often found myself blasting up to around 50 or so and then letting off as I merged onto certain roads, etc. On the freeways, I'd have a nice pass every now and then, but as often as not was stuck behind a line of cars. Now, I'm not satisfied with the Volt's 0-60 time (it is weird as the acceleration is so obviously software limited both at the start and when it hits 40 or so...the curve falls unnaturally), so I can appreciate how the i3 closes that gap and in "real life" would likely be driven as/or more quickly than most pure sports sedans. Is it necessarily as "fun" at the limit? Doubtful. Will it be more fun more of the time in "regular" driving...hmmm?
Frankly, I'd love to see a somewhat affordable multigear electric sports sedan hit the scene (something that doesn't scream "look at me, look at me, I am a new age electromobile"). The latest Porsche Panamera Plug-In Hybrid comes to mind (at a 50% discount mind you)...just saw a commercial for one the other day. |
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Every electric motor has a sweet spot. Max torque at zero RPM, but once it tries to rise above a certain point, that torque can drop off rather rapidly. One reason why they limit top speed, the power in verses power out drops off, and how fast do your really want to be spinning (the i3 maxes out at 11Krpm). This is one reason why once you reach a certain speed on the Volt, their fancy transmission and logic limits the rpm on the electric and turns on the engine - overspeed on the electric drops its efficiency, so the engine takes over up to about 20% of the motive drive. Lower than that speed, it tries to just keep it on electric power.
Another reason why it is designed as a city car...if it were designed for longer road trips, it would want a multigear transmission and a bigger battery, but add considerably to the costs. This is a purpose built vehicle, trying to make it into a general use one is just not going to work, but for use in and around a city on typical daily trips, it should be great. Now, the i8 has longer range overall, and it is likely that at least some of the other I-series vehicles in design will as well. |
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But, depending on the speed and battery level, contrary to common knowledge, on the Volt, the engine can provide up to about 20% of the motive power; IOW, while most of the time, the engine only powers the generator, there is a mode where it actually helps to power the wheels directly through the fancy transmission, which also limits how fast the electric motor has to turn. Once the electric motor gets into overspeed condition, it is more efficient to let the engine help turn the wheels than stay all on electric. How it decides the tradeoff and activates that is somewhat convoluted. |
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The only thing vry clear about this video is just how good that s65 sounds. Traction, torque, rain, electric. Blah blah blah. The sound of that engine should send chills down your spine. It's one of the best sounds ever to come from an engine. Long live the s65. I'm driving mine into the ground.
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The point of the video was to promote the i3 through trolling. Looks like it succeeded.
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