[TCBavarian]

For reference:

3yr 10k mi Lease Residual
i4 - 52%
i4 M50 - 50%

MF: .00125

Finance 1.9%

[Cosmo_Kramer]

Holy crap those are some bad numbers for lease. Maybe I should wait to get a used model.

[Encanto]

These are 2015 i3-lease rates.

[Accident]

Based on the pre-order offer:

MSRP= $60,420
Residual= $33,231

That's 55% residual on 36 months / 15,000 miles (maybe 57-58% for 10,000 miles)

Same residual for the M50. There's also a $500 lease credit for the people that pre-ordered.

Through Jan 03, 2022, customers who Pre-Order a new 2022 BMW i4 eDrive40 Gran Coupe model from participating BMW Centers, and who meet BMW Financial Services NA, LLC’s credit requirements, will be eligible for stated lease offer. Offer not valid in Puerto Rico.

Monthly lease payments of $699 per month for 36 months is based on an adjusted capitalized cost of $54,445 (MSRP of $60,420, including destination and handling fee of $995, less $3,775 capitalized cost reduction, $0 security deposit and suggested dealer contribution of $1,700 and $500 Lease Credit). Actual MSRP and dealer contribution may vary and could affect your monthly lease payment. Cash due at signing includes $3,775 capitalized cost reduction (which includes $1,500 pre-order deposit), $699 first month's payment, $925 acquisition fee and $0 security deposit. Lessee responsible for insurance during the lease term, excess wear and tear as defined in the lease contract, $0.25/mile over 45,000 miles and a disposition fee of $350 at lease end. Not all customers will qualify for security deposit waiver. Tax, title, license, registration and dealer fees are additional fees due at signing. Advertised payment does not include applicable taxes. Purchase option at lease end, excluding tax, title and government fees, is $33,231.

[TCBavarian]

Originally Posted by Accident

Based on the pre-order offer:

MSRP= $60,420
Residual= $33,231

That's 55% residual on 36 months / 15,000 miles (maybe 57-58% for 10,000 miles)

Same residual for the M50. There's also a $500 lease credit for the people that pre-ordered.

I'm only relaying what was currently showing in DCSnet. I put my finalize build in for the i4 M50, and that's what was showing at the time.

[Cosmo_Kramer]

Originally Posted by Accident

Based on the pre-order offer:

MSRP= $60,420
Residual= $33,231

That's 55% residual on 36 months / 15,000 miles (maybe 57-58% for 10,000 miles)

Same residual for the M50. There's also a $500 lease credit for the people that pre-ordered.

This is much more realistic number than 50% residuals. It's ridiculous these cars will be worth next to nothing 5 yrs from now.

[Accident]

Originally Posted by TCBavarian

I'm only relaying what was currently showing in DCSnet. I put my finalize build in for the i4 M50, and that's what was showing at the time.

Could it be different for orders placed today compared to a pre-order?

[TCBavarian]

Originally Posted by Accident

Could it be different for orders placed today compared to a pre-order?

That's what I was wondering. CA is unsure

[spool twice]

jeez I hope it isn't 50% and closer to the 55% they had posted but magically took down.

I only keep my cars 3 years, especially with EV tech improving. I'm likely going the PenFed PenSaver route to get the full tax credit.

[mbchris]

I'm going to do Owners Choice in TX. My salesperson looked it up. From him he thinks it will be 3.9% with 55% residual. OC has no Acquisition Fee.

[spool twice]

Originally Posted by mbchris

I'm going to do Owners Choice in TX. My salesperson looked it up. From him he thinks it will be 3.9% with 55% residual. OC has no Acquisition Fee.

do you get the full EV credit with Owners Choice since it technically is a traditional financing?

[Accident]

Originally Posted by spool twice

do you get the full EV credit with Owners Choice since it technically is a traditional financing?

I did OC and applied for the tax credit on a 330e.

[Ken7]

How do they do the tax credit when at this point it looks like the I4 won’t be eligible in 2022.

[TCBavarian]

Originally Posted by Ken7

How do they do the tax credit when at this point it looks like the I4 won’t be eligible in 2022.

Yea, signs are pointing that it won't be eligible.

Lease or finance it won't matter.

[GOLFFRR]

keep in mind there are two different programs. One for pre orders and one for non pre orders

im sure someone will post them both up soon as I am not allowed to unfortunately per BMWFS, however you can contact your sales rep and they can break it down for you im sure and then you can carry that info on

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by TCBavarian

Yea, signs are pointing that it won't be eligible.

Lease or finance it won't matter.

Too many other choices coming. If they don’t fix the base price to qualify, I’m out.

[mbchris]

If they do nothing. Or delay implementation. Wouldn't that mean the $7500 stays?

[spool twice]

Originally Posted by mbchris

If they do nothing. Or delay implementation. Wouldn't that mean the $7500 stays?

Yes, under the current bill, it phases out after 200,000 units.

Under the new proposed bill, the i4 would qualify under the senate plan. There is still some hope for negotiations, I hope

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by spool twice

Yes, under the current bill, it phases out after 200,000 units.

Under the new proposed bill, the i4 would qualify under the senate plan. There is still some hope for negotiations, I hope

How would it qualify at $55,400 base MSRP, $400 over the limit for non-SUV?

[Haywood]

Originally Posted by TCBavarian

Yea, signs are pointing that it won't be eligible.

Lease or finance it won't matter.

So, our genius gov't officials want to move Americans to EV's, but then they won't allow us to write it off because of a probable cap? Yeah, that makes so much sense.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Haywood

So, our genius gov't officials want to move Americans to EV's, but then they won't allow us to write it off because of a probable cap? Yeah, that makes so much sense.

Actually, it does, even though I don't like the result. There is a price/volume relationship clearly in the general market. They are directing and devoting resources to middle market EVs, not luxury brands/buyers, for most volume where the buyers need it the most. The trucks/SUVs are higher, as those generally are more expensive than cars. But, the smart OEM in this price neighborhood will target a $53,999 price point and hold it for time, while managing revenue over years through option pricing for high-runner content. Heck, BMW could fix this for now by reducing the MSRP $401 and increasing the destination charge by the same.

[Haywood]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Actually, it does, even though I don't like the result. There is a price/volume relationship clearly in the general market. They are directing and devoting resources to middle market EVs, not luxury brands/buyers, for most volume where the buyers need it the most. The trucks/SUVs are higher, as those generally are more expensive than cars. But, the smart OEM in this price neighborhood will target a $53,999 price point and hold it for time, while managing revenue over years through option pricing for high-runner content. Heck, BMW could fix this for now by reducing the MSRP $401 and increasing the destination charge by the same.

I understand your point, but I'll have to agree to disagree. We are not talking about a Porsche Taycan or the next Aston Martin electric. This is a BMW sedan that will compete with Tesla. I think it would be foolish to exclude German car makers since they make up a great deal of cars that are on the road and it's what consumers want. E.g., better quality, luxury brands that don't have a supercar price tag.