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View Poll Results: Will Donald Trump be Impeached or will this blowback on Biden
Orange Trump bad. Trump gone. 81 31.89%
Trump Trump-umphant. 87 34.25%
Inclusive 18 7.09%
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Biden grows in strength and gets shot in the arm for nomination. 10 3.94%
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      02-10-2020, 06:39 PM   #7239
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Wrong.
How so base on the current standards the house could have gone after Obama for the Iran deal
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Sure it is. Obama was never impeached. He didn't attempt to extort a nation dependent on our aid.
Imagine the outrage if Obama had done this to, say.....Israel?
he was investigated or was part of investigations though. once the impeachment is announced, AFTER the investigation where Trump blocked subpoenas, is where the impeachment actually starts.
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Agreed with you but it doesn't answer the question. The problem is now this charade is in the court of public opinion and the tide has turned against the Democrats precisely for this reason.

A reasonable person/trier of fact concludes that when you bring something as serious as impeachment your case is properly substantiated. In this case the Democrats toured it as such, they screamed it through every media outlet. When push came to shove they basically said, Republicans make the case for us.

To me the conclusion is, the Democrats are either incompetent or they are liars, or both. Since we have enough instances dating back to Trump's election that Democrats have done everything possible to subvert the will of the people, how can any reasonable person trust them?

You'll have people at both ends of the spectrum arguing ad nauseam that the other side is full of it. In this particular situation I'd consider myself an independent. I subscribe to a conservative ideology generally, but strongly dislike Trump. He shouldn't be representing us as a people.

Notwithstanding, in my opinion (which I believe is a reasonable one), our unpresidential President was undermined by elected officials since day 1. He was digging his own grave and the people would've seen him for what he was, but for the Democrats and mass media's attempt to overturn the 2016 election for absolutely asinine reasons for 4 years!!!

Had the Democratic Party not turned to a bunch of radicalized extremist liars, I would have voted for someone on their side.

Now I will vote for Trump because I genuinely believe he is the lesser of the two evils.
this times a billion.

Had dems actually worked towards something, and focused on making changes for the people while making the case they are better for the people, they would be getting a president in the white house. Instead, they have worked for 4 years to try and show the people that trump shouldnt be the president, and tell us why we shouldnt vote for him in 2020.

That being said, i wont rule out voting for a competent dem candidate, although everytime i start to like one, they get beat into oblivion by the DNC, but there are going to be plenty of people that have soured on them with this whole process. As was the case in 2016, every non vote from a dem, is essentially a vote for Trump where the reps are going out in masses to vote and the dems stayed home.
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      02-10-2020, 07:16 PM   #7242
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the vote to impeach was quick. they then sat on the articles for a little bit.

the vote to impeach was Dec 18. they didnt send the article to the senate till mid january.

the whistleblower came out in mid sept. so 3 month 'investigation", 1 month trying to get their ducks in a row for the senate.

Shit, the mueller report took longer than 3 months.

They rushed because they needed this to happen prior to campaigns starting the beginning of this year. Cant campaign and claim a victory by impeaching trump, when youre still investigating.
What is the rush? Having the impeachment going on during the current election year would be more damming. Especially as more people testified and they had more evidence. Imagine the bad PR during the debates/cycle. They look significantly weaker after this all came out as a nothing burger. Like everything else the left has tried.

If they really cared or thought they had a chance it would not have been rushed.

Fail fail fail all around for the dems.

Also, Bernie will get fucked by the DNC again and trump will win because Bernie voters know how corrupt the Democrats really are.
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Bernie looking strong to get nomination so far
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      02-10-2020, 10:01 PM   #7244
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Bernie looking strong to get nomination so far
The Russian side of my dual citizenship is starting to look better and better every day. Being a little facetious, but I know where Bernie and AOC lead.
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Me too dangerous game letting him be nominee
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      02-10-2020, 11:16 PM   #7246
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Me too dangerous game letting him be nominee
if it's the "will of the people," nobody is letting him, he is being nominated
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The will of the people can be wrong I'd think. Too stupid to know what's best.
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      02-11-2020, 07:08 AM   #7248
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The will of the people can be wrong I'd think. Too stupid to know what's best.
There's a joke about the current administration in there somewhere, as well.

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Except for the part about him doing good by minorities and american citizens instead of pandering to illegals and lazy shits sleeping on the sidewalk.

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Except for the part about him doing good by minorities and american citizens instead of pandering to illegals a lazy shits shiting on the sidewalk.
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The will of the people can be wrong I'd think. Too stupid to know what's best.
It's like the popular kid running in a high school student council election. "Free school lunches! Longer recess!!" That's not usually the candidate you want to run the show.
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      02-11-2020, 11:53 AM   #7252
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Agreed. Not sure any of these guys are the popular kid.
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Agreed. Not sure any of these guys are the popular kid.
You're right. I should have omitted the popular part.
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Sure it is. Obama was never impeached. He didn't attempt to extort a nation dependent on our aid.
Imagine the outrage if Obama had done this to, say.....Israel?
Obama had a more reasonable and rational house at the time, unlike Trump where the house is filled with irrational, belligerent, overly emotional, tamper tantrums prone, and blantly partisan house.
You forgot dishonest liars.
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Learns from the best. At one point, this was considered beneath the office. How is this actually happening!?

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the vote to impeach was quick. they then sat on the articles for a little bit.

the vote to impeach was Dec 18. they didnt send the article to the senate till mid january.

the whistleblower came out in mid sept. so 3 month 'investigation", 1 month trying to get their ducks in a row for the senate.

Shit, the mueller report took longer than 3 months.

They rushed because they needed this to happen prior to campaigns starting the beginning of this year. Cant campaign and claim a victory by impeaching trump, when youre still investigating.
What is the rush? Having the impeachment going on during the current election year would be more damming. Especially as more people testified and they had more evidence. Imagine the bad PR during the debates/cycle. They look significantly weaker after this all came out as a nothing burger. Like everything else the left has tried.

If they really cared or thought they had a chance it would not have been rushed.

Fail fail fail all around for the dems.

Also, Bernie will get fucked by the DNC again and trump will win because Bernie voters know how corrupt the Democrats really are.
Dems did what they were elected to do. Everyone knew the fix* was in from the beginning but they had to fulfill their pledge to their electorate**. There was a chance that Trump could've been convicted but things like appointments to the federal bench took priority. The GOP is using Trump like he uses them, but their impact will be felt long after Trump is Tango Uniform.

*Senate votes no.

**The 51% who didn't vote for Trump in '16.
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