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      11-11-2015, 04:55 PM   #23
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What Caitlyn is wearing takes a lot of air time for those guy's.
Be patient.
lol.

They did a pretty good interview with a UofM guy yesterday which provided some good info.
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I don't watch anything on espn any longer other than live whatever.

I don't care for theatrical production with sport news. I'm sure it's even worse since I stopped watching years ago.

I basically gave up on TV.

I do watch saved breaking bad and some manly mountain men something or another.
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I don't watch anything on espn any longer other than live whatever.

I don't care for theatrical production with sport news. I'm sure it's even worse since I stopped watching years ago.

I basically gave up on TV.

I do watch saved breaking bad and some manly mountain men something or another.
i watch sportscenter. I listen to espn radio all day because its a good mix of sports, which i love, current events, which i should follow more of, and comedy.

granted the only reason ESPN got hold of the story is because the Football Team threatened to not play, but still, got some good interviews in yesterday on it. You could hear the students cheering during the press conferences in the back ground. almost sounded like the College Game Day set lol.
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There's other students protesting (not at Missouri) that public college should be free, student loan debt forgiven, and student employees on campus make $15/hr. Neil Cavuto recently interviewed one of them.



While this woman is very clearly an idiot, I do think it's odd that high school's still don't teach basic level finance, accounting and how money and the economy works. I mean they teach it, but it's not required. Shit like that always bothered me, she couldn't even answer the most basic question of "who's going to pay for all of this?". The sheer thought never even crossed her mind.
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Wow. I am a professor and chair of a department at the U of Missouri. Things have been interesting. The person in the video (Ms. Click) has been canned (resigned...) from the J school for obvious reasons.

Most of the comments in this thread are ill-informed.

A good lesson from the Ms. Click fiasco is that when the shoe is on the other foot you may find your self doing actions that you have criticized others for.
I thought she only "resigned" from her "media relations" job. Is she not still fully employed by the college? Come on "professor" what is the real story?
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^ lol at that video.
I saw that on yahoo news of all places.

"Well, like, I dunno"
"Like, you know, the 1% people who have all the money"


And she is one of the leaders of this, yet another, goofball movement?

This country gets dumber and slower by the second.
I'll bet she couldn't point directionally East.
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There's other students protesting (not at Missouri) that public college should be free, student loan debt forgiven, and student employees on campus make $15/hr. Neil Cavuto recently interviewed one of them.



While this woman is very clearly an idiot, I do think it's odd that high school's still don't teach basic level finance, accounting and how money and the economy works. I mean they teach it, but it's not required. Shit like that always bothered me, she couldn't even answer the most basic question of "who's going to pay for all of this?". The sheer thought never even crossed her mind.
Ah the entitled generation. I'm a special and unique little snow flake. Mommy and daddy wiped my ass my whole life and now I feel that the tax payers should too. You want your college paid for then
Enlist in the military and get the GI Bill like many of us did.
Or
Study your ass off while in hs and get scolarships.
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I thought she only "resigned" from her "media relations" job. Is she not still fully employed by the college? Come on "professor" what is the real story?
He/she is not going to say anything else, I don't think.
Faculty member.
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Ah the entitled generation. I'm a special and unique little snow flake. Mommy and daddy wiped my ass my whole life and now I feel that the tax payers should too. You want your college paid for then
Enlist in the military and get the GI Bill like many of us did.
Or
Study your ass off while in hs and get scolarships.
I'm sure there's ways for colleges, like anything else, to improve what they spend their money on to become cheaper for students but I chalk up her stupid comments to being young and naive and the lack of education surrounding how things like universities budget and spend money and how economies in general work.

Scholarships are a good option too but those are in finite supply, not every good student can get one.
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Ah the entitled generation. I'm a special and unique little snow flake. Mommy and daddy wiped my ass my whole life and now I feel that the tax payers should too. You want your college paid for then
Enlist in the military and get the GI Bill like many of us did.
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Study your ass off while in hs and get scolarships.
Look at the dumb ass look on her face. Makes me sick to think where this country is heading.
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"Extreme Christian Hate Speech?" Really?

"They were made fun of... That's the proper response" - so your approved solution was bullying? Dude - you ARE what you find offensive.
Yeah really. Christians can be hateful, ever hear of the Westboro Baptist Church? Or the people that bomb Planned Parenthood clinics?

Yes, they were made fun of, hardly bullying. What is your solution?
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When I was in my 20s I always saw myself more or less like Sparatcus. Now I'm 36 and came to realize that if you want to survive in the real world you got to be like Marcus Crassus.

I read a letter one time from a Geman lieutenant regarding the Warsaw uprising of 1944. This one line has stuck with me ever since; "Although a fighting spirit and a pure and courageous approach can achieve a great deal, in the end this spirit will always succumb to material advantage."
No matter how great your cause might be, those with money and power will always crush you.
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An adult with a pair had something to say.


To the Purdue community.

Events this week at the University of Missouri and Yale University should remind us all of the importance of absolute fidelity to her shared values. First, that we strive constantly to be, without exception, a welcoming inclusive and discrimination-free community, where each person is respected and treated with dignity. Second, to be steadfast in*preserving academic freedom and individual liberty.

Two years ago, a student-led initiative created the “We Are Purdue Statement of Values”, which was subsequently endorsed by the University Senate.*Last year, both our undergraduate and graduate student governments led an effort to produced a*strengthened statement of policies protecting free speech. What a proud contrast to the environments that appear to prevail at places like Missouri and Yale. Today and every day, we should remember the tenants of those statements and do our best to live*up to them fully.

Sincerely,

President Mitch Daniels.
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"Extreme Christian Hate Speech?" Really?

"They were made fun of... That's the proper response" - so your approved solution was bullying? Dude - you ARE what you find offensive.
Yeah really. Christians can be hateful, ever hear of the Westboro Baptist Church? Or the people that bomb Planned Parenthood clinics?

Yes, they were made fun of, hardly bullying. What is your solution?
http://thefbomb.org/2009/11/corduroy-skirts-are-a-sin/
The Westboro "church" is not a part of any Christian denomination, never was, and has been denounced by all. It's about 70 people, 90% of whom are relatives of the founder.

Christians bombing abortion clinics? Yeah - that's pretty mainstream. Happens all the time by most of the Christians in the US. I almost couldn't buy any C4 last weekend - guy at the gun shop said a few bus loads of Christians bought the place out. Again. Those dang Christians...

As for the link you provided, it looks like the girl in corduroy was stating her beliefs - not hating on anyone. The guy, however, was indeed trying to bully her, and stop free speech - just like the situation at Mizzou.
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There's other students protesting (not at Missouri) that public college should be free, student loan debt forgiven, and student employees on campus make $15/hr. Neil Cavuto recently interviewed one of them.



While this woman is very clearly an idiot, I do think it's odd that high school's still don't teach basic level finance, accounting and how money and the economy works. I mean they teach it, but it's not required. Shit like that always bothered me, she couldn't even answer the most basic question of "who's going to pay for all of this?". The sheer thought never even crossed her mind.
I think it's odd that the schools stopped teaching that Socialism is unsustainable idiocy that has never worked in the history of humanity, the day after the Berlin Wall fell. Instead, we have crazy old Bernie The Socialist supported by a significant amount of voters; many like this young lady. Bernie was always officially listed as the only "Independent" in Congress, and he openly claimed to be a Socialist. I guess he's now a Democrat.
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Meanwhile....... Mizzou hires UC Davis Police as Chief of Police.




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The Westboro "church" is not a part of any Christian denomination, never was, and has been denounced by all. It's about 70 people, 90% of whom are relatives of the founder.

Christians bombing abortion clinics? Yeah - that's pretty mainstream. Happens all the time by most of the Christians in the US. I almost couldn't buy any C4 last weekend - guy at the gun shop said a few bus loads of Christians bought the place out. Again. Those dang Christians...

As for the link you provided, it looks like the girl in corduroy was stating her beliefs - not hating on anyone. The guy, however, was indeed trying to bully her, and stop free speech - just like the situation at Mizzou.

No true Scotsman would do such a thing! Am I right?


The people who camp out just outside of SU harass students on a daily basis. I have personally seen some very heated rhetoric and insults thrown out by them. I dont advocate violence against them, but I do belittle them and their hateful arguments. What that student did is fantastic in my book.

The right to free speech allows them to speak, but it also allows me to tell them how terrible they are.

Don't act like violence hasn't been committed by people with extreme christian ideology. It has happened several times this year, including the arson attack of a Planned Parenthood clinic last month.

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The Westboro "church" is not a part of any Christian denomination, never was, and has been denounced by all. It's about 70 people, 90% of whom are relatives of the founder.

Christians bombing abortion clinics? Yeah - that's pretty mainstream. Happens all the time by most of the Christians in the US. I almost couldn't buy any C4 last weekend - guy at the gun shop said a few bus loads of Christians bought the place out. Again. Those dang Christians...

As for the link you provided, it looks like the girl in corduroy was stating her beliefs - not hating on anyone. The guy, however, was indeed trying to bully her, and stop free speech - just like the situation at Mizzou.

No true Scotsman would do such a thing! Am I right?


The people who camp out just outside of SU harass students on a daily basis. I have personally seen some very heated rhetoric and insults thrown out by them. I dont advocate violence against them, but I do belittle them and their hateful arguments. What that student did is fantastic in my book.

The right to free speech allows them to speak, but it also allows me to tell them how terrible they are.

Don't act like violence hasn't been committed by people with extreme christian ideology. It has happened several times this year, including the arson attack of a Planned Parenthood clinic last month.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_o...(United_States)
Yes - crazies do stuff like that, and claim Christianity. Just like they claim all sorts of other "reasons." But clearly they do not speak for .0000000001% of Christians.

Free speech gives people the right to express an opinion you or I don't agree with. It absolutely does not justify a responding personal attack on that person because we don't agree. That's not free speech - that's bullying, retaliation, fascism, etc. - but it's not free speech. That's exactly what's happening at Mizzou, as well as the whole PC movement.

If you don't agree with someone's opinion, present a counter - don't attack.
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One of the biggest reasons why college is becoming more and more expensive is because students want their college environment to be like a 5 star hotel. Pools, basketball courts, lavish student housing, fraternity life, a large student center, they want fast food centers within walking distance, and the list goes on and on. Schools keep spending millions of dollars to attract more students because of the amenities they offer. What ever happened with the idea that you go to college specifically for an education?

Also when debating a subject someone from her organization probably should have not let her go on that interview. You can tell that Fox News was clearly looking to take advantage of her. I stopped watching a minute in because I could see that she was way over her head.
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Yes - crazies do stuff like that, and claim Christianity. Just like they claim all sorts of other "reasons." But clearly they do not speak for .0000000001% of Christians.

Free speech gives people the right to express an opinion you or I don't agree with. It absolutely does not justify a responding personal attack on that person because we don't agree. That's not free speech - that's bullying, retaliation, fascism, etc. - but it's not free speech. That's exactly what's happening at Mizzou, as well as the whole PC movement.

If you don't agree with someone's opinion, present a counter - don't attack.
If a group claims and truly believes that they are part of a religious body then they are. Just like the Islamic State members who attacked Paris yesterday are Muslim. It may be a totally extreme and fucked up interpretation of whatever religious text they follow, but they are what they claim to be. But I have never said that these people are the majority, just that they exist.

You cannot reject an argument based on the idea that "No true Christian would do such a thing." To do so is called the No True Scotsman Fallacy. Various Popes have sanctioned war at different points in history due to their beliefs. Clearly true Christians are capable of violent acts.

The Christian hate group on the SU campus were entirely irrational. You could try to talk to them, but if you didn't agree with what they said they would simply yell their bigoted hate speech at you again. So we, as a collective student body, either ignored them or joked at their expense.

I dont advocate violence against such people, and I understand that they have the right to do it on a public street. But, I dont see why I dont have the right to respond. It isnt PC to protest bigotry, it is American.




Can I ask you a serious question. Why do you consider their yelling at people free speech, but my quiet and personal response bullying?
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Yes - crazies do stuff like that, and claim Christianity. Just like they claim all sorts of other "reasons." But clearly they do not speak for .0000000001% of Christians.

Free speech gives people the right to express an opinion you or I don't agree with. It absolutely does not justify a responding personal attack on that person because we don't agree. That's not free speech - that's bullying, retaliation, fascism, etc. - but it's not free speech. That's exactly what's happening at Mizzou, as well as the whole PC movement.

If you don't agree with someone's opinion, present a counter - don't attack.
If a group claims and truly believes that they are part of a religious body then they are. Just like the Islamic State members who attacked Paris yesterday are Muslim. It may be a totally extreme and fucked up interpretation of whatever religious text they follow, but they are what they claim to be. But I have never said that these people are the majority, just that they exist.

You cannot reject an argument based on the idea that "No true Christian would do such a thing." To do so is called the No True Scotsman Fallacy. Various Popes have sanctioned war at different points in history due to their beliefs. Clearly true Christians are capable of violent acts.

The Christian hate group on the SU campus were entirely irrational. You could try to talk to them, but if you didn't agree with what they said they would simply yell their bigoted hate speech at you again. So we, as a collective student body, either ignored them or joked at their expense.

I dont advocate violence against such people, and I understand that they have the right to do it on a public street. But, I dont see why I dont have the right to respond. It isnt PC to protest bigotry, it is American.




Can I ask you a serious question. Why do you consider their yelling at people free speech, but my quiet and personal response bullying?
I don't consider their yelling at people to be free speech. The girl in courderoy didn't appear to be yelling at anyone, nor yelling at all. The kid with the "skirt" sign was directing derision at her - not stating his beliefs.
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