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      09-19-2019, 10:50 AM   #45
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Is "white-face" racist? Are any of the above images of individuals in white-face offensive or done in a derogatory stereotypical fashion?
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Is "white-face" racist? Are any of the above images of individuals in white-face offensive or done in a derogatory stereotypical fashion?
This is an interesting question. Has white face been used systematically for the same purpose as blackface?

Two items. A cross hanging in the local Catholic Church. A cross, lit on fire, in front of the local black baptist church. Are they the same?

Definitely not. One is a symbol of the sacrifice and love of God to send his only son to die for our sins. The other is a tool of oppression, terror, and fear with the message and threat of severe harm or death.
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It is in those images above. It is done in a derogatory fashion highlighting negative and or perceived stereotypes by someone of a different race under the guise of humor.

We do not have to make the pendulum swing to the complete opposite side before taking action. We as a group can say in general this type of behavior is not acceptable across the board. If it is offensive to depict one race in that fashion then I believe it offensive to any race.
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I appreciate what you're saying.

If it's blackface it is.

There is no form that is acceptable. I'm not a dog-whistle person crying racism all the time. I know what is and what isn't racist. There have probably been less than 3 or 4 times that I've called anything outright racist on this platform. Blackface is, without question, a racist tool.
ARR, matey, I have questions fur 'ya

You know I'm trying to better my understanding. I'm going to asks some related questions, maybe you help others as well.

I realize that above definition you posted is CLEARLY racist. But in the original picture, Trudeau doesn't appear to be using the costume/color to be derogatory. Is this racist?

Related, an unmistakably characteristic depiction of certain portions of the Hispanic community comes to mind when one thinks of zoot-suits and/or low riders. I can ALMOST pull off the skin color without mods, but if I have a chain down to my ankles (my daily one is only mid-thigh) and I put on a bandanna pulled down to my dark glasses, and I drop the pirate accent for a bunch of "ota-leh" while mimicking driving my low-rider, am I also guilty of racism? To a fair number of people, the life-style depicted is something to be desired. Not something *I* would aspire to, but also something that evokes recognition if I were to attend a themed party.

If you came by my party, with sleeves cut off on your red-checkered pendelton, a baseball cap, and a Bud in your hands, speaking about your farmin/huntin/fishin. Your hot date comes in her Daisy Dukes with a sprig of grass in her mouth. Is that racist? Does it matter if you modify your skin color on your neck? Again, it's a themed party.
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ARR, matey, I have questions fur 'ya

You know I'm trying to better my understanding. I'm going to asks some related questions, maybe you help others as well.

I realize that above definition you posted is CLEARLY racist. But in the original picture, Trudeau doesn't appear to be using the costume/color to be derogatory. Is this racist?

Related, an unmistakably characteristic depiction of certain portions of the Hispanic community comes to mind when one thinks of zoot-suits and/or low riders. I can ALMOST pull off the skin color without mods, but if I have a chain down to my ankles (my daily one is only mid-thigh) and I put on a bandanna pulled down to my dark glasses, and I drop the pirate accent for a bunch of "ota-leh" while mimicking driving my low-rider, am I also guilty of racism? To a fair number of people, the life-style depicted is something to be desired. Not something *I* would aspire to, but also something that evokes recognition if I were to attend a themed party.

If you came by my party, with sleeves cut off on your red-checkered pendelton, a baseball cap, and a Bud in your hands, speaking about your farmin/huntin/fishin. Your hot date comes in her Daisy Dukes with a sprig of grass in her mouth. Is that racist? Does it matter if you modify your skin color on your neck? Again, it's a themed party.
basically, now a days, if it offends one person, whether the intent is to offend or not, its racist.

Unless youre making fun of white people and their stereotypes, then its not racist cuz "you cant be racist to whites"
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Just listening to Trudeau’s bantering apology.
The usual buzz words that resonate with his base.

His apology? Sorry I was rich and privileged...but I continue to fight micro aggressions that permeate only conservative ridings...

The liberals set up the usual stardom...only conservatives can be racist.
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UPDATE:

A photo of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in brownface swept the internet Wednesday night. Then, we got a second photo of the leader in blackface back in high school.

He promised there were no more.

It appears that he lied.

Global News has just shared an exclusive video it obtained showing the prime minister donned in racist makeup yet again. The image is blurry, but you can see Trudeau waving his arms in the air and sticking his tongue out.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5922861/j...ownface-video/


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ARR, matey, I have questions fur 'ya

You know I'm trying to better my understanding. I'm going to asks some related questions, maybe you help others as well.

I realize that above definition you posted is CLEARLY racist. But in the original picture, Trudeau doesn't appear to be using the costume/color to be derogatory. Is this racist?

Related, an unmistakably characteristic depiction of certain portions of the Hispanic community comes to mind when one thinks of zoot-suits and/or low riders. I can ALMOST pull off the skin color without mods, but if I have a chain down to my ankles (my daily one is only mid-thigh) and I put on a bandanna pulled down to my dark glasses, and I drop the pirate accent for a bunch of "ota-leh" while mimicking driving my low-rider, am I also guilty of racism? To a fair number of people, the life-style depicted is something to be desired. Not something *I* would aspire to, but also something that evokes recognition if I were to attend a themed party.

If you came by my party, with sleeves cut off on your red-checkered pendelton, a baseball cap, and a Bud in your hands, speaking about your farmin/huntin/fishin. Your hot date comes in her Daisy Dukes with a sprig of grass in her mouth. Is that racist? Does it matter if you modify your skin color on your neck? Again, it's a themed party.
Avast me hardy!

Zoot suits were very popular back in the Cab Calloway day...when I see one I think of Cab Calloway and not of hispanics. If I'm not mistaken, everything you described are suits, clothing, a car, or some such affect.

If you want to dress like Aladdin, dress like Aladdin...the blackface isn't necessary. If you want to wear the indigenous clothing of someone from the Lil' Abner cartoon...wear it. (I especially endorse it if the girlfriend is REALLY hot!!)

Wearing Blackface in today's society is akin to showing up at a Bar/Bath mitzvah dressed like Max Mosely in his sex dungeon Nazi uniform. No one would question that as being not only in poor taste but racist and designed to intimidate.

This is the problem that occurs when everything is called racist. I would estimate that 90 to 95 percent of what is called racist actually isn't. This racist/racism noise, be it from someone like Smolett which is damaging in so many ways or from someone saying that all cops are racist, makes people turn a blind eye to actual racism. Blackface is actual racism.
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ARR, matey, I have questions fur 'ya

You know I'm trying to better my understanding. I'm going to asks some related questions, maybe you help others as well.

I realize that above definition you posted is CLEARLY racist. But in the original picture, Trudeau doesn't appear to be using the costume/color to be derogatory. Is this racist?

Related, an unmistakably characteristic depiction of certain portions of the Hispanic community comes to mind when one thinks of zoot-suits and/or low riders. I can ALMOST pull off the skin color without mods, but if I have a chain down to my ankles (my daily one is only mid-thigh) and I put on a bandanna pulled down to my dark glasses, and I drop the pirate accent for a bunch of "ota-leh" while mimicking driving my low-rider, am I also guilty of racism? To a fair number of people, the life-style depicted is something to be desired. Not something *I* would aspire to, but also something that evokes recognition if I were to attend a themed party.

If you came by my party, with sleeves cut off on your red-checkered pendelton, a baseball cap, and a Bud in your hands, speaking about your farmin/huntin/fishin. Your hot date comes in her Daisy Dukes with a sprig of grass in her mouth. Is that racist? Does it matter if you modify your skin color on your neck? Again, it's a themed party.
Avast me hardy!

Zoot suits were very popular back in the Cab Calloway day...when I see one I think of Cab Calloway and not of hispanics. If I'm not mistaken, everything you described are suits, clothing, a car, or some such affect.

If you want to dress like Aladdin, dress like Aladdin...the blackface isn't necessary. If you want to wear the indigenous clothing of someone from the Lil' Abner cartoon...wear it. (I especially endorse it if the girlfriend is REALLY hot!!)

Wearing Blackface in today's society is akin to showing up at a Bar/Bath mitzvah dressed like Max Mosely in his sex dungeon Nazi uniform. No one would question that as being not only in poor taste but racist and designed to intimidate.

This is the problem that occurs when everything is called racist. I would estimate that 90 to 95 percent of what is called racist actually isn't. This racist/racism noise, be it from someone like Smolett which is damaging in so many ways or from someone saying that all cops are racist, makes people turn a blind eye to actual racism. Blackface is actual racism.
Shiver me timbers. So PREJUDICE is not RACISM

Because I can tell you that were I to dress up as Cheech, my wife's family would be pissed at my racism
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Shiver me timbers. So PREJUDICE is not RACISM

Because I can tell you that were I to dress up as Cheech, my wife's family would be pissed at my racism
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racism, bigotry and prejudice are often conflated. i believe it is because the definition is muddled by individuals resorting to everything being offensive and simply referring to that action or incident as "racist".
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UPDATE:

A photo of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in brownface swept the internet Wednesday night. Then, we got a second photo of the leader in blackface back in high school.

He promised there were no more.

It appears that he lied.

Global News has just shared an exclusive video it obtained showing the prime minister donned in racist makeup yet again. The image is blurry, but you can see Trudeau waving his arms in the air and sticking his tongue out.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5922861/j...ownface-video/


Le Press in Montreal is reporting there is likely more pictures of the virtue signaller in chief wearing blackface.....
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I've met many racists in my life. I don't think you know them.
Must be very diffent culture out west, in the East I think i only ran into one guy who was a bigot but I never ran into someone that clearly felt they are superior to me or anyone simple because of their race or culture.
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I've met many racists in my life. I don't think you know them.
Must be very diffent culture out west, in the East I think i only ran into one guy who was a bigot but I never ran into someone that clearly felt they are superior to me or anyone simple because of their race or culture.
Maybee. I'm pretty sure there are racists on the east, west, north and south. I guess that's another good way to take a jab at California. Novel I'll give you that

I did also notice that ppl who are bigots or racists themselves a lot of times say racism doesn't exist and don't see it. I'm not saying that about you, I don't know you at all. But I'm saying that generally.
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Maybee. I'm pretty sure there are racists on the east, west, north and south. I guess that's another good way to take a jab at California. Novel I'll give you that

I did also notice that ppl who are bigots or racists themselves a lot of times say racism doesn't exist and don't see it. I'm not saying that about you, I don't know you at all. But I'm saying that generally.
Well racism is the belief that you are superior due to your race which i can say i never ran into directly, some race movements like blm have undertone of it but I don't believe they are full blown racist, just misinformed and misguilded.

Now a bigot is just someone who dislike a person because of many reason, the world has plenty of those

And someone who discriminate is someone who choose not to associate with someone for various reasons, which all of us are guilty of.
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On the one hand I find it pretty funny. Nice costume. Normally I wouldn't be offended, and I'm the same race as those turbaned guys in the photos.

But on the other hand, he's another typical liberal hypocrite. The media will pretend to be offended for a few days then "praise" him for apologizing and forget about it.

I really don't think it's a big deal, but the fact that he and the mainstream media always raise their noses at these types of things yet also do the same shit or worse is disturbing.
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racism, bigotry and prejudice are often conflated. i believe it is because the definition is muddled by individuals resorting to everything being offensive and simply referring to that action or incident as "racist".
I don't think the issue here is that Trudeau is a racist or a bigot, it's that he has well and truly been hoisted by his own petard.

It's the sanctimonious virtue signalling like the educating of people on live TV for not being "woke" enough and using a perfectly acceptable phrase such as mankind etc....he's an utter hypocrite.

Oh and news flash Justin, no one cares about your privilege, you even make that sound like a brag.
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And in typical leftist fashion, Justin fails to take any responsibility.... Instead he blames is on his "privileged" upbringing.

"I've always acknowledged that I come from a place of privilege but now I need to acknowledge that that comes with a massive blindspot," he said.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/justin...d-racist-image
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And in typical leftist fashion, lets not talk about blackface because today he announced if elected a ban on "Military style Assault Rifles", with a buy back program. He will also allow municipalities to ban handguns.....hows that going in Chicago?

Although, the first 10 questions after this announcement were about Blackface.
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And in typical leftist fashion, lets not talk about blackface because today he announced if elected a ban on "Military style Assault Rifles", with a buy back program.
If only his makeup had been this transparent.
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