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      10-07-2021, 02:55 PM   #23
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Can't get behind the removal of all the climate buttons. I change the fan speed constantly, now I have to press menu and use the touchscreen to do it every time. The climate screen is a mess too, they couldn't even fit all the controls at once so you have to scroll to the right to turn on passenger seat heat, are you kidding me?

The volume knob was better placed close to your hand below the vents, but maybe could get used to it on the center console.

The iDrive knob is still there but the capacitive buttons that you have to glance down at to use are terrible. And even that isn't long for this world, going by the 2 Series AT release with no iDrive knob at all, a first for BMW in...20 years?

There's nothing you can say about the connected screens or removal of physical controls that makes the car genuinely better, it's just chasing fads. Wish they'd be an innovator in this space and focus on ergonomics like they used to.
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      10-07-2021, 04:10 PM   #24
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Can't get behind the removal of all the climate buttons. I change the fan speed constantly, now I have to press menu and use the touchscreen to do it every time. The climate screen is a mess too, they couldn't even fit all the controls at once so you have to scroll to the right to turn on passenger seat heat, are you kidding me?

The volume knob was better placed close to your hand below the vents, but maybe could get used to it on the center console.

The iDrive knob is still there but the capacitive buttons that you have to glance down at to use are terrible. And even that isn't long for this world, going by the 2 Series AT release with no iDrive knob at all, a first for BMW in...20 years?

There's nothing you can say about the connected screens or removal of physical controls that makes the car genuinely better, it's just chasing fads. Wish they'd be an innovator in this space and focus on ergonomics like they used to.
Yup. Removing the buttons is a bad choice. I almost never change the climate control settings and yet I still am annoyed to have to go through the infotainment screen to adjust them. I used to change the face vent temp a lot in my previous cars (one of the most misunderstood and under appreciated features BMWs have had for a while) but they buried that in the infotainment now in my X5 and I am annoyed with that decision and hardly ever actually use that function anymore.

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Here's the photo I made from the iDrive 8.0 Press Release a few months. These are the two main display modes that BMW highlighted despite being both horrible and too similar. No way to get rid of the ugly trapezoidal design scheme they are using.
Although I don't like the instrument cluster in the iX (also don't like the one in my current X5 either), it wouldn't bother me too much because I hardly look at it at all. The HUD for me negates most of that mess in the dash. However, I get what they are trying to do to make it look more modern. What I don't get is why they didn't just add a "classic" display option that would essentially be old traditional looking cluster. This way BMW can have the esthetics they want and the people who want their 1980's gauges can have them too.

I would go a step further and even open it up to allowing users to upload a custom one if they wanted to. But hey, what do I know...
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      10-08-2021, 01:10 AM   #25
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thanks for the write up, I kind dig the front now, but back still a bit mini van like? Though really looking forward to when people start test drive i4
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There is no comparison whatsoever…
X5 is above in every aspect. And comes with freedom…
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      10-08-2021, 05:18 AM   #27
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No way to get rid of the ugly trapezoidal design scheme they are using.
Except that it's not true. If you look any of the detailed iX reviews that started appearing during the last 14 days, the instrument cluster is customizable including the layout and content. Trapezoid layout is just one of the few available.
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      10-08-2021, 07:42 AM   #28
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No way to get rid of the ugly trapezoidal design scheme they are using.
Except that it's not true. If you look any of the detailed iX reviews that started appearing during the last 14 days, the instrument cluster is customizable including the layout and content. Trapezoid layout is just one of the few available.
I have seen several videos and the display has no more to very little added features over the iDrive 7 cluster (which is also poor) other than specific EV details. The customization is sorely lacking in comparison to MB, Audi, and even JLR.
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I have seen several videos and the display has no more to very little added features over the iDrive 7 cluster (which is also poor) other than specific EV details. The customization is sorely lacking in comparison to MB, Audi, and even JLR.
How often do you look at the instrument cluster?
With HUD, I hardly look at the instrument cluster at all. As long as it has the info for my occasional glance, it's fine with me.
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I have seen several videos and the display has no more to very little added features over the iDrive 7 cluster (which is also poor) other than specific EV details. The customization is sorely lacking in comparison to MB, Audi, and even JLR.
How often do you look at the instrument cluster?
With HUD, I hardly look at the instrument cluster at all. As long as it has the info for my occasional glance, it's fine with me.
Only one of my cars has hud but I prefer the gauge cluster, especially for the tachometer or navigation. The BMW gauge cluster is just incredibly illegible and ugly, and they could have done so much better, especially after the many complaints that were received from the iDrive7 setup (especially for the M cars).
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I was also at the same event today in Stockholm and agree with you Sward that the car has grown to me as well. Was worried about all talks about the front but looks great in real life!

Waiting for my iX 50 now in November but they still haven't got any production slots yet so guess it will be somewhat delayed

Added some pictures to compare it with my current X5 45e, the iX is without the sport package but Sophisto Grey as my X5. However, it looked somewhat darker, even more on the pictures than my X5. None of the cars are washed though

Great car to drive and it felt quicker than my current being all-electric with no gear changes - even if it's actually somewhat slower. So the iX 50 will be great.

The biggest downside from my side is that the trunk is somewhat smaller than the X5 45e, the ambient lighting is not as good as the X5 (my opinion) and there's no Oyster leather option so I guess I have to get used to Altair / Sensatec.
Sorry to say but I really think you car isn´t Sophisto. I looks exactly like Arcticgrau. Arcticgrau as the name suggets has a more blue-ish grey hue. Sophisto is more grey sparkling. Share your VIN and we will know for sure.

More on-topic I think the iX is a great car and can't wait to replace my X5 45e with it. Nice to see them side by side!
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      10-08-2021, 12:39 PM   #32
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There is no comparison whatsoever…
X5 is above in every aspect. And comes with freedom…
I find myself in complete agreement with you.
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      10-08-2021, 01:22 PM   #33
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At least sward actually seen and test drove an iX, his comments have value.
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      10-08-2021, 01:27 PM   #34
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I was also at the same event today in Stockholm and agree with you Sward that the car has grown to me as well. Was worried about all talks about the front but looks great in real life!

Waiting for my iX 50 now in November but they still haven't got any production slots yet so guess it will be somewhat delayed

Added some pictures to compare it with my current X5 45e, the iX is without the sport package but Sophisto Grey as my X5. However, it looked somewhat darker, even more on the pictures than my X5. None of the cars are washed though

Great car to drive and it felt quicker than my current being all-electric with no gear changes - even if it's actually somewhat slower. So the iX 50 will be great.

The biggest downside from my side is that the trunk is somewhat smaller than the X5 45e, the ambient lighting is not as good as the X5 (my opinion) and there's no Oyster leather option so I guess I have to get used to Altair / Sensatec.
Well, about B mode, you have (at least it my iX3) 3 different optional modes on the regen. The middle option is close to the default regen which is in the i3.
So basicly you have have pretty much the regen you want.
But adaptive is the way to go.
Then different sensors and the GPS will go from coasting to regen, depending on the distance from the vehicle in front, or roundabout, red light and so on - it works very very good.
I'm suprised how old and outdated the G05 looks next to the iX.
Anything but the seats is in favor for the iX, shame we can't have optional seats in the BEV flagship from BMW.
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      10-08-2021, 01:29 PM   #35
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There is no comparison whatsoever…
X5 is above in every aspect. And comes with freedom…
From the reviews, iX seems to have better refinement and it is also much quieter than X5.

Looking at the side by side photo, X5 suddenly looks dated.

And what freedom? I certainly want freedom from gas stations!
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No way to get rid of the ugly trapezoidal design scheme they are using.
Except that it's not true. If you look any of the detailed iX reviews that started appearing during the last 14 days, the instrument cluster is customizable including the layout and content. Trapezoid layout is just one of the few available.
I have seen several videos and the display has no more to very little added features over the iDrive 7 cluster (which is also poor) other than specific EV details. The customization is sorely lacking in comparison to MB, Audi, and even JLR.
That is not correct, you can drag and drop apps/features to customize what you want to have, pretty much like on your iphone.
I have the iDrive 7 within the iX3, the iDrive 8 is more versatile and you can make it more personal, to suit your own taste, but all is not good, the look ok the UI is old fashioned and it looks slower than previous version.
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There is no comparison whatsoever…
X5 is above in every aspect. And comes with freedom…
There is no comparison, the same company that produced both vehicles will agree the X5 is outdated compared to the ix.
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From the reviews, iX seems to have better refinement and it is also much quieter than X5.

Looking at the side by side photo, X5 suddenly looks dated.

And what freedom? I certainly want freedom from gas stations!

Funny guy.
Is quiet? That’s for non ethusiastic people. From what I know I like to be alive. Sound is like colors: makes life different, interesting and beautiful.

When you can bring two buckets of power, pour them inside in 5 minutes and park the car in the woods for three months and start it when need it, give me a call.
BTW, Bring that electric joke to drive it in winter at -40 between two provinces and see how far you will go. Exactly like my friend that sold his Tesla one month after few trips in the winter.

And even then, with that design and that refurbished glass on the dash, please do not bother as I am ashamed to own such thing, forget of showing it in the road….
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There is no comparison, the same company that produced both vehicles will agree the X5 is outdated compared to the ix.
Outdated is for people that look at things in one way only.
Historic vehicles and they turn heads more than any new car. Yeah, and they are “outdated”.
Some people buy fashionable clothing just because it’s trendy; and they look like shit. New or modern doesn’t mean beautiful.
I buy things that look good on me, I like, and represent me as an Individual, things that have character and are properly made.
Who cares what “otdated” means for the others? Because I don’t.

BTW, puting a piece of vertical glass on a dashboard makes it different than the previous one, but that doesn’t mean is beautiful.
Picasso sketches might look modern to some (horrendous to me) but they will never have the depth, colors, shades and expression of a Renaissance artist.

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Funny guy.
Is quiet? That’s for non ethusiastic people. From what I know I like to be alive. Sound is like colors: makes life different, interesting and beautiful.
Sound can be beautiful, noise is not.

Why would I want to park the car in the woods for three months? Who else in the forum wants to do that?

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And even then, with that design and that refurbished glass on the dash, please do not bother as I am ashamed to own such thing, forget of showing it in the road….
I buy things that look good on me, I like, and represent me as an Individual, things that have character and are properly made.
Who cares what “otdated” means for the others? Because I don’t.
I cannot comment of your preference or your taste, you are perfectly free to choose what to show on the road and what to wear.
But maybe you are in the wrong forum?
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Sound can be beautiful, noise is not.

Why would I want to park the car in the woods for three months? Who else in the forum wants to do that?
I rented beach house in Olympic Peninsula. There were NO chargers anywhere close, nearest some slow 10 miles away.

Last month I went riding bicycle in Idaho. Stayed at pretty fancy resort in Kellogg, right on I-90. Zero chargers. Nearest (and the only one) was several miles away, at Walmart.

Thank you, but unless it is an SUV just to get to Costco, there is no way electric would work for me.
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with HUD don't really look at instrument cluster, other than how many miles or if I have auto high beam on?
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Sorry to say but I really think you car isn´t Sophisto. I looks exactly like Arcticgrau. Arcticgrau as the name suggets has a more blue-ish grey hue. Sophisto is more grey sparkling. Share your VIN and we will know for sure.

More on-topic I think the iX is a great car and can't wait to replace my X5 45e with it. Nice to see them side by side!
Not sorry, thanks! Doubled checked my order on the X5 and you're totally right it's Arctic Grey - my previous were Sophisto Grey Felt strange they should differ and now the feeling of ordering the next car with the same color is gone which is great

Memory is good but short! Or changing car too often over the years so they start to get mixed up in memory

I'll update the post so it doesn't confuse anyone making the wrong choice.
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Ignore stein_325i, haters are gonna hate. I say live and let live.

You want an iX, buy it

You want a X5, buy it

In the end, it shouldn't matter to anyone but you want you buy, you're the one who put up the cash so enjoy it.
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