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      06-01-2021, 06:38 PM   #23
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The i4 M50 range is atrocious. You can't take a long trip past 240 miles as you'll wast time charging. That's around less than 3 hrs of usage on a full charge that range.

What will the range be of future M cars, 150 miles?
How often do you drive 240 miles in a day?
During the COVID pandemic I was driving 8 hr trips. Quite frankly my cars sit at airports and when it's time for lease end I put the miles on the last 8 months.
Then you would be the 1% that couldn't use the car. For the majority, it's got plenty of range.
I'll keep my ICE cars until the oil tankers stop importing oil then. 👍
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Was there any info shared today regarding ADAS capabilities and what level of autonomy this car could achieve? What type of sensors (radar/camera/Lidar) it has?
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The i4 M50 range is atrocious. You can't take a long trip past 240 miles as you'll wast time charging. That's around less than 3 hrs of usage on a full charge that range.

What will the range be of future M cars, 150 miles?
How often do you drive 240 miles in a day?
2-3 times a week
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Love the exhaust cutout-type design without exhaust tips. A byproduct of evolving design language I suppose, but still
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2-3 times a week
You put 50-60+ thousand kms on your car a year? Crazy.
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So the non-boost M50 power output is 470hp as predicted.

Cd = 0.25 and big ass tires are the major reasons why M50's range will never get close to Model 3's with the same battery size.

Though people looking for bling and badges will happily trade the functionality.
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Gladly pre-ordered an i4 M50. It will be a 5th car along side our M2cs, ZHP, E53 and G20.
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245 mile range on the M50 is not good enough. In the winter, that will be 170-180 and it will only get worse from there as time goes by. I owned an i3 for nearly 5 years and I'm a long way from being interested in an electric car again. The tech is just not there yet.

The ICE cars today are the best ICE cars that mankind has ever produced.

The electric cars today are the worst electric cars that mankind will ever produce.

Take your pick.
spot on

very primitive electr tech. not just bmw but all of them
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So the non-boost M50 power output is 470hp as predicted.

Cd = 0.25 and big ass tires are the major reasons why M50's range will never get close to Model 3's with the same battery size.

Though people looking for bling and badges will happily trade the functionality.
But what about all the other engineering added to the BMW? I read the press release and although I also wished the range was better, I don't think Teslas provide the same level of ride comfort, attention to sustainability, and overall quality as BMW does.

The suspension even includes self-regulating air-suspension in the back axel, adaptive suspension, you get adaptive laser lights, a glass roof that you can actually open, etc. I'm not a Tesla hater, but I truly believe BMW's are in a different league, even with their lesser range, which, honestly, will be unnoticeable if you can take advantage of the 200kW charging capabilities of the car.
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The ICE cars today are the best ICE cars that mankind has ever produced.

The electric cars today are the worst electric cars that mankind will ever produce.
Assuming that the engineering abilities of the human civilization are constantly progressing, the following is always true for any X:

X today is the best X that mankind has ever produced.

X today is the worst X that mankind will ever produce.

In other words, you didn't really say anything valuable about ICE or EV cars.
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The i4 M50 range is atrocious. You can't take a long trip past 240 miles as you'll wast time charging. That's around less than 3 hrs of usage on a full charge that range.

What will the range be of future M cars, 150 miles?
How often do you drive 240 miles in a day?
2-3 times a week
You drive 240 miles three times a week non-stop? You don't need a car with an ICE my friend, you need a jet.
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536 hp
586 lb-ft
0-62mph in 3.9 … Wow.

Since BMW always understate acceleration time, I'm curious to know the real world tested acceleration time.
What's puzzling is that

Model 3 does:

0-60 in 3.1secs
315mi of range
With only 450hp

For $57k

So it's faster, more efficient, longer range and cheaper

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And you can buy it TODAY
And this is even with their older cells not the 4680

Also all model 3 perf come with Michelin PS4s and don't have to win the lottery like with the M3/4 currently
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The ICE cars today are the best ICE cars that mankind has ever produced.

The electric cars today are the worst electric cars that mankind will ever produce.
Assuming that the engineering abilities of the human civilization are constantly progressing, the following is always true for any X:

X today is the best X that mankind has ever produced.

X today is the worst X that mankind will ever produce.

In other words, you didn't really say anything valuable about ICE or EV cars.
I always found Clarkson's take on the F80 vs the i8 fascinating, with him likening the M3 to the best typewriter ever made, and the i8 the earliest laptop available. It's somewhat apt here too.
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The sunroof looks like a traditional sunroof, you know, one that opens up. Something that other EVs never do. That's awesome.

Personally an EV doesn't fit what I'm looking for in a car, but I feel they are going to sell a lot of these. A lot of households buying 3/4-series already have a second vehicle for longer trips. An EV daily makes a lot of sense.
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But what about all the other engineering added to the BMW? I read the press release and although I also wished the range was better, I don't think Teslas provide the same level of ride comfort, attention to sustainability, and overall quality as BMW does.

The suspension even includes self-regulating air-suspension in the back axel, adaptive suspension, you get adaptive laser lights, a glass roof that you can actually open, etc. I'm not a Tesla hater, but I truly believe BMW's are in a different league, even with their lesser range, which, honestly, will be unnoticeable if you can take advantage of the 200kW charging capabilities of the car.
Let's quickly get "attention to sustainability" out of the way: it's just marketing, there are not enough real data to compare that to what other manufacturers, including Tesla, are doing.

Ride comfort: rear air suspension doesn't really do anything here and is probably there to compensate for weight issues. The real difference is adaptive suspension but I can guarantee you most people will be buying eDrive40s with standard suspension.

Overall quality I put under "bling": Tesla's build quality is no longer problematic, and the actual remaining difference is material quality and design.

An openable roof is not something a lot of people would miss. I actually found that with the completely unnoticeable AC system in my Model 3 I open any windows much less frequently than I did in my BMWs.

Tesla's headlights are extremely good with no special trickery. They are at least on par with BMW's adaptive LED, and the laser headlights again will not be standard equipment.

One real advantage that you didn't mention is the hatchback. Model 3's trunk opening is laughably small.

Summing up, an M50 optioned up to $70K will be better than a $57K Model 3 Perf though the latter will still handily beat the BMW off the line. A base eDrive40 at $55K will be on par with a $49K dual-motor Model 3, with that $6K difference paying for the nicer interior.
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The sunroof looks like a traditional sunroof, you know, one that opens up. Something that other EVs never do. That's awesome.

Personally an EV doesn't fit what I'm looking for in a car, but I feel they are going to sell a lot of these. A lot of households buying 3/4-series already have a second vehicle for longer trips. An EV daily makes a lot of sense.
My daily is a airport car rental, so I'm safe from being forced to purchase a EV for quite some time until these cars are added to the car rental fleet.
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Summing up, an M50 optioned up to $70K will be better than a $57K Model 3 Perf though the latter will still handily beat the BMW off the line. A base eDrive40 at $55K will be on par with a $49K dual-motor Model 3, with that $6K difference paying for the nicer interior.
And the $7.5k fed credit(presumably still available in 2022) will make eDrive40 at par with Model 3 AWD price-wise, with BMW's build quality and nice interior.
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So after staring at these cars a bunch, I realized that this front end is actually a decent bit different than the regular 4 series. The total area of the grille is smaller and reshaped, and there are a number of areas where soft edges have become sharp lines. It's really tough to tell on the frozen blue, but it's looking to be a similar story on the fenders - the 4 series has smooth curved lines both front and rear, while on the i4 we have sharp lines just like on the M4 (though obviously without the extra 1.5 inches of flare).

Take a look:
Actually i don't think the center grill got smaller but rather the "mouth" below it got wider. If you compare where it ends in relation to the inner halo of the headlights you'll see it. Still ugly imo but a slight improvement over the normal 4 series.
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