05-25-2021, 07:59 AM | #3169 |
Recovering Perfectionist
15481
Rep 946
Posts
Drives: 2015 BMW i3 BEV
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Orange County, NY
iTrader: (0)
Garage List 2014 Mighty Freight ... [0.00]
2015 BMW i3 BEV [0.00] 2000 Audi TT Quattro [0.00] 1967 Formula Vee [0.00] |
Back to the thread's topic, what is "enhanced bail" in California? I saw it mentioned in a news article a few days ago, and was curious about what it is and what the metrics are for applying it.
Here in NY State, the no-cash-bail "reform" seems to be doing the exact opposite, cutting criminals loose with pinky-swears that they will appear for their court date...not to mention catch-and-release where the police are arresting the same person 3-4 times per day for repeating the same crime because they can't hold them for bail.....
__________________
2015 BMW i3 BEV, Giga World (Lodge interior), Tech/Driving Assist Packages, 30K miles
|
05-25-2021, 10:16 AM | #3170 |
Banned
3512
Rep 2,044
Posts |
This article sites a study of NYPD stats by the NY Post, a conservative newspaper (Murdoch owned):
"Similar reforms in adjacent New Jersey had shown no such problems, but once New York state implemented reforms at the start of 2020, police trumpeted the case of any person who was released without having to pay bail and subsequently broke the law and as proof that bail reform puts people in danger." https://reason.com/2020/07/09/new-yo...f-bail-reform/ |
Appreciate
0
|
05-25-2021, 10:59 AM | #3171 | ||
Law Enforcer
25177
Rep 22,301
Posts
Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!
|
Quote:
….the bail issue is real. You make a good point about the catch & release nature of arrests right now. It's to the point now where many types of crimes are cited out in the field. It's not even worth booking them at the station jail because they'll be released before I even complete the report. No-bail warrants require us to hard book the suspect, but they still get released quickly most of the time. Quote:
|
||
05-25-2021, 11:02 AM | #3172 |
Law Enforcer
25177
Rep 22,301
Posts
Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!
|
In some ways, yes, I agree with you, but it's an extreme response to an extreme pressure. There is causation, and it's coming from the administration.
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-25-2021, 11:16 AM | #3173 | |
Banned
3512
Rep 2,044
Posts |
Quote:
The article also sites findings from New Jersey and other states, not to mention how the police union is distorting the facts. The positives of bail reform are many. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-25-2021, 11:18 AM | #3174 |
Banned
3512
Rep 2,044
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-25-2021, 11:32 AM | #3175 |
Colonel
15802
Rep 2,043
Posts
Drives: 2022 X6///M Comp
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: NYC
|
I gotta tell you Murf, I feel like we live on different planets. All no-cash bail reform does is encourage bad behavior. There is no longer any consequence for bad behavior. It's a joke and it is why crime is getting out of hand again. I feel like I've been transported back to the NYC of the 70s and early 80s. Maybe, just maybe, if a dirt bag feared he would be arrested and have to stay in the tombs until he saw a judge and risk not making bail it would deter the bad act.
__________________
I thought I was a good person but the way I react when people drive slowly in the left lane would suggest otherwise
|
Appreciate
5
|
05-25-2021, 11:38 AM | #3176 | |
Law Enforcer
25177
Rep 22,301
Posts
Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!
|
Quote:
|
|
05-25-2021, 12:04 PM | #3177 | |
Banned
833
Rep 674
Posts |
Quote:
What are your thoughts Sedan_Clan on Police reform bill and the qualified immunity hang up ? |
|
Appreciate
3
|
05-25-2021, 12:11 PM | #3178 |
Banned
3512
Rep 2,044
Posts |
And as usual, character assassination, and no factual back-up.
As the article states, gun violence is up across the country, and most places haven't had bail reform. The actual numbers are pointing towards other causes for the increased gun violence over the last year. Stress, less employment, more street time, large increases in gun sales, all look to be much larger factors. Bail reform contributing in single digits for NYC. Gun violence is the only major crime which is up in NYC. : "Overall, New York City actually saw a 5.5 percent decline in major crimes when compared to the first six months of 2019." It must be hard going through life only trusting what your own eyes see (Google is your friend). |
Appreciate
0
|
05-25-2021, 12:13 PM | #3179 | ||
Law Enforcer
25177
Rep 22,301
Posts
Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!
|
Quote:
|
||
05-25-2021, 12:15 PM | #3180 | |
Law Enforcer
25177
Rep 22,301
Posts
Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!
|
Quote:
|
|
05-25-2021, 12:21 PM | #3181 |
Banned
3512
Rep 2,044
Posts |
I see:
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-25-2021, 12:23 PM | #3182 | |
Banned
3512
Rep 2,044
Posts |
Quote:
Certainly not the ones you posted; oh yea, you didn't post any stats.... I trust the peer review system. I am one in billions. Why be so limited? |
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-25-2021, 12:32 PM | #3183 | |
Major
14116
Rep 1,336
Posts
Drives: Porsche 993
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dog Lake, South Frontenac, Ontario Canada
|
Quote:
Ask yourself this, do you feel safer walking the streets of NYC now than a few years ago, maybe cmyx6go could offer her view regarding the feeling of safety on the streets. Not one of your peer reviewed stats but the reality in many places is that the stats are not reflective of what folks are actually seeing and feeling in their communities. |
|
Appreciate
3
|
05-25-2021, 12:46 PM | #3184 | |
Colonel
15802
Rep 2,043
Posts
Drives: 2022 X6///M Comp
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: NYC
|
Quote:
__________________
I thought I was a good person but the way I react when people drive slowly in the left lane would suggest otherwise
|
|
Appreciate
4
|
05-25-2021, 12:47 PM | #3185 | |
Banned
3512
Rep 2,044
Posts |
Quote:
Now, if I went a few miles to Bed-Sty, I hear things are different. But I didn't see that, only read about it! |
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-25-2021, 12:50 PM | #3186 |
Colonel
15802
Rep 2,043
Posts
Drives: 2022 X6///M Comp
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: NYC
|
So if you didn't see it first hand, but it was on the news it isn't real? I flip through all the local networks to catch the news. They may show different stats to reflect their narrative but they all report the incidents.
__________________
I thought I was a good person but the way I react when people drive slowly in the left lane would suggest otherwise
|
Appreciate
1
Murf99314116.00 |
05-25-2021, 12:52 PM | #3187 | |
Banned
3512
Rep 2,044
Posts |
Quote:
No offense to Clan, but after watching Peter Lynch (NYPD Union head) for many years, it's hard to take much of what cops say without a reality check. Last edited by Littlebear; 05-25-2021 at 01:07 PM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-25-2021, 01:03 PM | #3188 | |
Banned
12809
Rep 2,983
Posts |
Quote:
Again, you and I obviously have different views on carrying firearms, no more, no less. I'm not going to debate over the Constitution as it's played out. People will ultimately agree to disagree. Personally I liked our conversation about cats in a different thread. |
|
Appreciate
1
Littlebear3511.50 |
05-25-2021, 01:06 PM | #3189 | |
Banned
833
Rep 674
Posts |
Quote:
Last edited by 4Hockey4; 05-25-2021 at 01:11 PM.. |
|
Appreciate
1
Littlebear3511.50 |
05-25-2021, 01:13 PM | #3190 | ||
Law Enforcer
25177
Rep 22,301
Posts
Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!
|
Quote:
|
||
Appreciate
1
Murf99314116.00 |
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|