[minn19]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I don't think you understand the political games I'm talking about.
For instance last year RB suggested that it's not fair if a car gets taken out in a crash caused by another driver and subsequently needs a new PU or so because of that damage, it's not fair that that is penalized and is subtracted from the PU's to use in a season.

Ferrari agreed to that.
But of course Merc didnt, and lo and behold.....every team that used a merc powersource (and ONLY teams with a merc power source) didnt...

It's these kinds of politics, that pretty much take away the independance of teams, that both RB and Ferrari don't agree to, and I don't think events like this will be forgotten by RB/Ferrari/Alpine.

That is why they rather race eachother than race against Merc. as Merc is the team that tries to extend their influence across other teams beyond the service they deliver.

So what though? I’m not saying they don’t do their games but they aren’t even close to the only ones. The entire engine freeze is/was at the behest of RB who threatened to pull put of F1. Weird that a team that has never even built their own engines is asking for that. Now the even more weird situation of are they building their own or is Honda still in F1 etc etc?

You guys are the only ones that always bring up MB, even if they aren’t news. They weren’t news today except that they are down, which isn’t new. Yet you can’t resist.

Even as a RB fanboi you know this respect between RB and Ferrari (Max*/Charles) will evaporate if they stay this close all year and the inevitable incident happens. It wasn’t that long ago RB (along with MB) were going after Ferrari’s jet mode.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

Will it stay nice ? hard to say. If we start seeing one driver punt another off with the "that was my line" attitude or the stewards favoring one driver over another that could flare tensions.

When HAM and VER were fighting it was like two bulls, nobody wanted to give an inch. LEC's stance seems to be more of the matador here.. trying to use Max's aggression against him.

a bit unlucky for charles today. things may have been different if the double yellow was in another part of the track instead of sector one where he had an advantage over the RB.

I'd like to see Villeneuve's take on what happened today, as far as the yellow flags go i'm sure he'd just say ''stuff happens''

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

I already debunked this multiple times and showed you trap speed data, it wasn't all about the speed on the w12 it was cornering too. The entire package was vastly better than the entire field minus redbull so it was easy to over take them. Then the new engine allowed the Merc to run at its full potential whereas before it was losing alot of power via degredation. So it was a blend of way better cornering and better power vs. the entire field just like the w11 was. Yet their trap speeds were no where near the top.


Mercedes never focused on out right speed it was always about downforce for them.



Strange when Max started from the back and finished in p2 you said it was all max despite the rb16b being superior to literally every car last season up until the end when Mercedes caught up. Guess it was just the car.

HAM won his WDC's in the fastest car of the decade with the Party-Mode ,wheel cooling , DAS, air-intake cooling, squat suspension , ect.. !
Of course the car speaks , look at him now ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

HAM won his WDC's in the fastest car of the decade with the Party-Mode ,wheel cooling , DAS, air-intake cooling, squat suspension , ect.. !
Of course the car speaks , look at him now ...

HAM had it so easy with passed by Fia parts some just plain cheat like the steering/suspension movement, it was always a Sunday drive for him and anything else that his talent shine thru is just plain barmy!

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

HAM won his WDC's in the fastest car of the decade with the Party-Mode ,wheel cooling , DAS, air-intake cooling, squat suspension , ect.. !
Of course the car speaks , look at him now ...

You always needs both a good car and a good driver to win. The same applies to every driver.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

HAM had it so easy with passed by Fia parts some just plain cheat like the drs, it was always a Sunday drive for him and anything else that his talent shine thru is just plain barmy!

*****

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by minn19

So what though?

What do you mean so what?
This was a clear example on how MERC was using it's influence over other teams for their own gain instead of making F1 better.


It's these kinds of tricks that divide f1 into the 'merc' camp and the RB/Ferrari/Alpine camp. Thats why these teams rather race eachother than race against merc.
It's not a secret that for instance ALO rather saw VER getting the title than HAM...
And the whole irony now is that Ferrari, RB, and Alpine, all 3 made pretty good gains this year.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

*****

Chas really thought that he would get that...

[///M Power-Belgium]

[F87source]

Finally:




Doesn't actually look that bad for mercedes, and mercedes powered cars on a speed sensitive track. Looks like it really is the chassis holding the w13 back, for mclaren it is chassis, braking, cooling. For AMR it is also the major porposing, and for williams they're just williams.

[e90335e36m3]

Glad max won but he's being a little bitch at the end. July race man.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's what I'm talkin' about!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That's what I'm talkin' about!

Back to 'that moment ...Just WOW !

This track is not safe !

[Killed by Death]

I'm glad Charlie didn't get tapped for crossing the pit entry line but wonder why?

Looked to me like he did and they are usually pretty ruthless on that violation. Max wasn't happy about it for sure.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I'm glad Charlie didn't get tapped for crossing the pit entry line but wonder why?

Looked to me like he did and they are usually pretty ruthless on that violation. Max wasn't happy about it for sure.

Yeah...
Charlie has cut the whole chicane as well...

Too bad for Checo today and feel his pain !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Chas really thought that he would get that...

Mercedes : You love to see it...(Bahrain)

Red Bull just came with a 'boomerang effect !

[minn19]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

What do you mean so what?
This was a clear example on how MERC was using it's influence over other teams for their own gain instead of making F1 better.


It's these kinds of tricks that divide f1 into the 'merc' camp and the RB/Ferrari/Alpine camp. Thats why these teams rather race eachother than race against merc.
It's not a secret that for instance ALO rather saw VER getting the title than HAM...
And the whole irony now is that Ferrari, RB, and Alpine, all 3 made pretty good gains this year.

Just stop, I’ve never defended them and their games.

It’s you RB guys that think MB is the only ones that do this. When you want to have an adult conversation about all of the issues and not ignore them, let us know.

Again, how does a team that doesn’t even make their own engines and never has asks for an engine development freeze? Who is “making” their engines now and is Honda in or out? Regardless, interesting the engine freeze thing was decided and Honda/RB changes their mind on the arrangement? Plus RB’s team principle calling people tax cheats just to name a few examples.

So yes, so what. Until you guys want to talk about all of the BS from all sides you and your fellow RB’s comments about making the sport better or dividing teams into camps mean nothing. Besides, teams are in one camp, their own.

Edit: It’s very well known that Alonso doesn’t like Lewis because Lewis made him his bitch years ago and never looked back. That means nothing and never will.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mercedes : You love to see it...(Bahrain)

Red Bull just came with a 'boomerang effect !

Even Stevens haha another one in the eye for tots and fatso sitting in stuttgart

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Too bad for Checo today and feel his pain !

I don't feel it

[NickyC]

Great race, glad to see everyone got away from this track unscathed.

It’s just shocking to see MB so far behind, wow.