[330 CSi]

Originally Posted by VirtualGuitars

I’m just trying to save him future frustration. If he plans on using eSIM, it will push the head unit to the breaking point. BMW can’t figure out what to do next on my vehicle. They can’t swap head units because the wiring harnesses are completely different. Everyone has just gotten used to rebooting iDrive which is now as common as Tesla panel gaps. Everyone seems to just have accepted that this is the way it is now. The head units are made by different suppliers all over the world, and in the US they are made by Alpine (the last time I checked). This seems to be more of an issue in the US.

To the OP, you don’t have to take my advice, but whatever you decide to do best of luck with your decision! iDrive gremlins aside, it is a fantastic vehicle!

I posted because I wanted to know about the money, but it also helps to hear about the issues and the frustrations.

Does the 2024 M60 lack anything the 2023 had ... aside from Gremlins?

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by 330 CSi

I posted because I wanted to know about the money, but it also helps to hear about the issues and the frustrations.

Does the 2024 M60 lack anything the 2023 had ... aside from Gremlins?

It doesn’t matter which year or model you go with. If it was built on March 1st or later, you won’t run into the same issues that so many of us have experienced because BMW finally replaced the head unit with one powerful enough to run the current software and features. If I hadn’t been plagued with so many issues, I wouldn’t be so vocal about it right now. I just don’t want to see another frustrated iX owner because of hardware/software issues.

If you don’t plan on using CarPlay, Android Auto, or eSIM, then maybe you won’t notice as much. Much like a Windows product, whenever you run into a problem the first troubleshooting method is to reboot iDrive. It’s something you will have to get used to with any iX built before March of this year. Ask any existing owner on this forum how many times they’ve had to do it. I’m probably into the hundreds by now since January, but I rely heavily on eSIM with each drive session because of my online-based radar detector. Rebooting iDrive is the only remedy which I have to do at least once per day, sometimes twice.

Because I use all of these technologies simultaneously, it seems to push the head unit to the breaking point. To sum it all up, I almost traded my vehicle in for a 2024 for this reason alone. And I still might if BMW can’t figure out how to resolve my issues. It’s been at the dealer for 15 days now and they can’t seem to figure it out.

[330 CSi]

Originally Posted by VirtualGuitars

It doesn’t matter which year or model you go with. If it was built on March 1st or later, you won’t run into the same issues that so many of us have experienced because BMW finally replaced the head unit with one powerful enough to run the current software and features. If I hadn’t been plagued with so many issues, I wouldn’t be so vocal about it right now. I just don’t want to see another frustrated iX owner because of hardware/softwre issues.

If you don’t plan on using CarPlay, Android Auto, or eSIM, then maybe you won’t notice as much. Much like a Windows product, whenever you run into a problem the first troubleshooting method is to reboot iDrive. It’s something you will have to get used to with any iX built before March of this year. Ask any existing owner on this forum how many times they’ve had to do it. I’m probably into the hundreds by now since January, but I rely heavily on eSIM with each drive session because of my online-based radar detector.

Because I use all of these technologies simultaneously, it seems to push the head unit to the breaking point. To sum it all up, I almost traded my vehicle in for a 2024 for this reason alone. And I still might if BMW can’t figure out how to resolve my issues. It’s been at the dealer for 15 days now and they can’t seem to figure it out.

If I can find a car with a build date of 3/23 will it definitely have the new head unit, even if its a 23?

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by 330 CSi

If I can find a car with a build date of 3/23 will it definitely have the new head unit, even if its a 23?

That’s correct. BMW makes production line changes at the beginning of the month regardless of where they are in the model year cycle. There’s probably a month worth of ‘23 vehicles that have the updated head unit which is right around the same time the ‘24s started being built. Just look for the production date on any vehicle that you’re considering. Any 2023 with a March production date or newer will have the updated head unit. All 2024 models will already have it.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by 330 CSi

For an 50 that would be about 12% and the $9900, maybe a little less depending upon equipment. That would equate to about 14% off a M60.

Yes... I was giving rough and simple numbers. I think the max is 12% dealer discount off MSRP for a 50, but sometimes an older M60 might go higher, but probably not higher than 14%. Then add the $9,900 to that.

[darylp310]

Originally Posted by Adrew777

So I have done what VirtualGuitars was describing and traded my '23 iX50 for a '24 to lease it.

I love my 2023 iX50 so much doing something like this is so tempting. But if I'm going to eat some depreciation I might go to a 2024 M60 in that case so I can rationalize paying a little bit more!

[darylp310]

Originally Posted by 330 CSi

I am thinking of getting a 2023 M60 so I don't have to deal with the reduced equipment of the 2024 50. So I would get the air suspension and (I think) IAS. I would give up the new head unit.

That's a good data point. If you are cross shopping between a 2023 and a 2024 M60 then there's virtually no difference except the upgradable head unit and the Highway Assistant. If the price difference is $10-15K is it really worth it? I would say no. But for an extra $5K I might go for the 2024. Good luck!!

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by 330 CSi

I appreciate the advice and the story. 28% depreciation for the 3000 miles.

I also appreciate the difference between the good software and crap. I am sorry you've had that. I just lived through that with my I-Pace.

Are you calculating 28% depreciation by comparing original MSRP with trade in value?

[330 CSi]

Originally Posted by ggalanis

Are you calculating 28% depreciation by comparing original MSRP with trade in value?

Yes

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by 330 CSi

Yes

I didn't want to assume it was but since that is the case then that is not a good depreciation figure. It is perfectly normal that the trade in is lower than what the used ones actually sell for. The real percentage is probably another 10% lower approx which might be a little on the high end, but not that much more than any other new luxury car I think.

[330 CSi]

Update. The dealer now tells me the DEMO is "NEW" for purposes of the warranty and BMW Finance lease offers. Does that change anyone's mind? How much of a discount would you want before you took a "New" car with 2400 miles?

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by 330 CSi

How much of a discount would you want before you took a "New" car with 2400 miles?

I would aim for 25% off MSRP, which includes the $9,900 from the lease incentive.

If you can get to 25% total discount on a $95K car, your lease payments would be under $700 before taxes. That would be a smokin' hot deal.