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      01-18-2019, 09:06 AM   #45
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Well.... I mean, you can expand the rationale of my post to larger groups and areas in the past where Big Government Control versus the Free Market has had equal footing as well, and I believe the results were about the same.

Think East and West Berlin. Think North and South Korea.
Those are extreme cases... Socialism doesn't mean Totalitarianism.

Markets need to be controlled in some way so everyone is playing on a level playing field. Without regulation and oversight, large corporations do not have people's interests in mind and would screw over people to get profits for shareholders. A great example of this is in China where capitalism is unfettered and large companies have huge amounts of power and sway. Terrible working conditions, low wages and mass environmental pollution.

Again, very different than small businesses in small town USA.
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It's ok, it's fun to watch my home value double every 10 years. I can retire anywhere in the world if SF goes to crap.
Amen to that, San Diego isn't far off.
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Amen to that, San Diego isn't far off.
Yup, people from outside are always saying, how can you put up with this or that. It's Commifornia, they crack down on modified cars, strict gun control, tax everything etc... well, the pay is good, lots of jobs, the environment is beautiful and the variety and quality of ethnic foods is incredible.

For car enthusiasts, there's hundreds of miles of great fun driving roads, 5 race tracks within a few hours drive and a thriving car community year round. I can go to a car meet/mountain drive/track day every week.

It's a great place to be.
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Yup, people from outside are always saying, how can you put up with this or that. It's Commifornia, they crack down on modified cars, strict gun control, tax everything etc... well, the pay is good, lots of jobs, the environment is beautiful and the variety and quality of ethnic foods is incredible.

For car enthusiasts, there's hundreds of miles of great fun driving roads, 5 race tracks within a few hours drive and a thriving car community year round. I can go to a car meet/mountain drive/track day every week.

It's a great place to be.
Meh. I have all of that too for 1/5th the price.

I make plenty of money and there are tons of jobs. I can carry a gun anywhere I want to, there are no car inspections requirements of any kind, I have no state income tax at all, there are hundreds of great driving roads including the number one driving road in the entire country less than an hour from me, awesome snowboarding in the winter, and two top tier race tracks are less than 3 hours away. Oh, and my property taxes were $585 last year, my HOA dues are $24/mo, and my new construction home I built in 2014 was $184,000.

So, um, yeah.

Are their things in California that are amazing? You bet!!! But no way I would give up what I would have to give up to live there.
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Meh. I have all of that too for 1/5th the price.

I make plenty of money and there are tons of jobs. I can carry a gun anywhere I want to, there are no car inspections requirements of any kind, I have no state income tax at all, there are hundreds of great driving roads including the number one driving road in the entire country less than an hour from me, awesome snowboarding in the winter, and two top tier race tracks are less than 3 hours away. Oh, and my property taxes were $585 last year, my HOA dues are $24/mo, and my new construction home I built in 2014 was $184,000.

So, um, yeah.

Are their things in California that are amazing? You bet!!! But no way I would give up what I would have to give up to live there.
Been to both (lived in three different spots of CA) and they both have their pluses and minuses. CA just has too many damn people everywhere. Tennessee has an interesting vibe to it that I'm not sure I'd fit in with.

The only thing I'm jealous of either is how close to different tracks you both are and occasionally the weather.

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Meh. I have all of that too for 1/5th the price.

I make plenty of money and there are tons of jobs. I can carry a gun anywhere I want to, there are no car inspections requirements of any kind, I have no state income tax at all, there are hundreds of great driving roads including the number one driving road in the entire country less than an hour from me, awesome snowboarding in the winter, and two top tier race tracks are less than 3 hours away. Oh, and my property taxes were $585 last year, my HOA dues are $24/mo, and my new construction home I built in 2014 was $184,000.

So, um, yeah.

Are their things in California that are amazing? You bet!!! But no way I would give up what I would have to give up to live there.
Yeah... that's definitely more affordable than here! I don't think there's anywhere in California that's $200k unless it's some kind of subsidized housing for low income people.

I like the diversity here. San Francisco distinctly doesn't even feel like I'm in the US - it's a amalgam of every place in Asia, Europe and US with people speaking languages from all over the world... and I can drive out of town and it's typical American suburbia.
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