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      09-24-2019, 10:58 PM   #45
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Unfortunately our country has morphed into something unrecognizable. The left went off the charts to the far left into socialism and communism. This was a Republic Democracy from its birth and many of us canít stand for where they want to take us and those on the left canít stand for America the way it was for a long time. We have reached a divide in the land and I donít see relief in sight. Me Iím going to ride it out the best I can.
If you have ways to get this land together, Iím all ears.
Then we should be talking to our brethren and not demonizing them. As our country isn't best served if it is in either extreme. We have to compromise with each other to move forward we can't have a zero sum game where the only thing that matters is that we score political victories against the "other" side.

The left has legitimate points that the Post-WW2 economic expansion that the US enjoyed is over. The middle class is largely hollowed out and we need to find a path forward.

The right has legitimate points that there has to be a limit on expanding government entitlements that may end up overtaxing those left in the middle.

We should be having substantive discussions on issues and points so we can compromise and push our political leaders to deliver solutions for us. Not one where I get everything I want or you get everything you need, but one where we both get most of the way there. After all, the measurement that matters is that our nation is better off. That's the victory.

For instance, I think Warren's wealth tax isn't realistic as it isn't constitutional in my view. In that point I don't agree with her left leaning policy here. On the other hand, college debt has grown dramatically as we continually cut college education funding (which was a linchpin in the Post-WW2 economic expansion). Now we have student loan debt that is higher than CC debt and severely dampening economic activity by younger generations and these debt payments are largely going to the government (like a tax). I'm all for eliminating this to further economic growth.

We're all on the same team.
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Unfortunately our country has morphed into something unrecognizable. The left went off the charts to the far left into socialism and communism. This was a Republic Democracy from its birth and many of us can’t stand for where they want to take us and those on the left can’t stand for America the way it was for a long time. We have reached a divide in the land and I don’t see relief in sight. Me I’m going to ride it out the best I can.
If you have ways to get this land together, I’m all ears.
Then we should be talking to our brethren and not demonizing them. As our country isn't best served if it is in either extreme. We have to compromise with each other to move forward we can't have a zero sum game where the only thing that matters is that we score political victories against the "other" side.

The left has legitimate points that the Post-WW2 economic expansion that the US enjoyed is over. The middle class is largely hollowed out and we need to find a path forward.

The right has legitimate points that there has to be a limit on expanding government entitlements that may end up overtaxing those left in the middle.

We should be having substantive discussions on issues and points so we can compromise and push our political leaders to deliver solutions for us. Not one where I get everything I want or you get everything you need, but one where we both get most of the way there. After all, the measurement that matters is that our nation is better off. That's the victory.

For instance, I think Warren's wealth tax isn't realistic as it isn't constitutional in my view. In that point I don't agree with her left leaning policy here. On the other hand, college debt has grown dramatically as we continually cut college education funding (which was a linchpin in the Post-WW2 economic expansion). Now we have student loan debt that is higher than CC debt and severely dampening economic activity by younger generations and these debt payments are largely going to the government (like a tax). I'm all for eliminating this to further economic growth.

We're all on the same team.
I disagree with some of your points. But I will not call you names. I would much rather discuss issues then discuss Trump.

But the Trump apologists keep going for it. Sad.
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Let's see the Trump machine/alt right machine, go after these people now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...sworn-protect/
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Little premature, butthurt isnt grounds for impeachment.
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Then we should be talking to our brethren and not demonizing them. As our country isn't best served if it is in either extreme. We have to compromise with each other to move forward we can't have a zero sum game where the only thing that matters is that we score political victories against the "other" side.

The left has legitimate points that the Post-WW2 economic expansion that the US enjoyed is over. The middle class is largely hollowed out and we need to find a path forward.

The right has legitimate points that there has to be a limit on expanding government entitlements that may end up overtaxing those left in the middle.

We should be having substantive discussions on issues and points so we can compromise and push our political leaders to deliver solutions for us. Not one where I get everything I want or you get everything you need, but one where we both get most of the way there. After all, the measurement that matters is that our nation is better off. That's the victory.

For instance, I think Warren's wealth tax isn't realistic as it isn't constitutional in my view. In that point I don't agree with her left leaning policy here. On the other hand, college debt has grown dramatically as we continually cut college education funding (which was a linchpin in the Post-WW2 economic expansion). Now we have student loan debt that is higher than CC debt and severely dampening economic activity by younger generations and these debt payments are largely going to the government (like a tax). I'm all for eliminating this to further economic growth.

We're all on the same team.
A ferret like congressman said not long ago, “elections have consequences”. The left tried to change the game of discussions and debate by turning the capital into their kingdom to do what the want regardless of a two party system. Ten years ago democrats sounded very similar to Republicans on many important issues facing the country. To name a few immigration, border security, democratic economy, first amendment rights, not legislating from the bench. D and R mostly ran parallel in these missions but the D’s took a hard turn away from what made this country what it was going to crazy land a appease the far, far, left.

Nearly the whole worlds population would be glad to hop on transportation and come here, work hard a become successful not depending on race or religious affiliation. Whether they worked to get educated to succeed in an advanced land and rolled up their sleeves they could accomplish much and it was up to them. All why doing this without coming here with their hands out taking free handouts for life. The Democrats feeding the foreign masses to keep them on their sides only to roll out every election season to pull the D lever, not caring at all about them. One just needs to look at the big democrat party voter breeder ground cities living in squalor to see what the lefts game is.
The left won’t give an inch to the President on any issue even ones they advocated themselves not too many years ago. Trump is an obnoxious asshole 90% of the time but he has been trying to continue dialogue with the other side of the aisle yet here we are today, another new impeachment attempt because they lost an election.
What you say is all great and much makes perfect sense, get them to implement it, easier said here than done. Hard to talk with those who decided try and toss away the amazing democratic government this country was founded on.
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Amazing how they can have a majority and do nothing but commit fuckery for the entire time.

Useless, ineffective, impotent even.
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Let's see the Trump machine/alt right machine, go after these people now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...sworn-protect/
While I applaud their service, I question their decision to release this statement without knowing the actual content of the transcript. They begin in a declarative statement then put in the dreaded, "MAY". It is typically at this point that I stop reading because I seek data and facts, not opinion.

This is setting up to be a huge black eye for the Democrats because the rush to judgement (with EXTREMELY FAULTY, "evidence")combined with Mr. Trump being unhesitant in releasing the transcript tells me that this may be one of the biggest failures yes for the Democrats.

I await the results of the transcript.
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Biden is on tape bragging about successfully pressuring the Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating his son. Let’s investigate Biden!


Still waiting on the Trump/Russian collusion evidence! Lol
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Glanced at CNN in the gym this morning and there is tons of premature celebration, these people never learn. Soon enough it will be a 11/8/16, round two.
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I'm starting to believe that this might be a concerted effort to get Warren to win the Dem primary.

Surely they all know that Biden has quite a bit of fingerprints in this too? I imagine that everyone pushing this narrative is figuring they have a shot at a toofer. They probably know that impeaching Trump is extremely unlikely but they figure there is a slim chance they might succeed. In addition, they probably all assume that Biden's dirty laundry is going to come out with respect to Hunter. He may or may not have done anything illegal, but regardless of that, it will probably hurt him in the polls, leading to Warren winning the nomination. The media absolutely fawn over Warren - so I can see the thought process behind all this.
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I'm starting to believe that this might be a concerted effort to get Warren to win the Dem primary.

Surely they all know that Biden has quite a bit of fingerprints in this too? I imagine that everyone pushing this narrative is figuring they have a shot at a toofer. They probably know that impeaching Trump is extremely unlikely but they figure there is a slim chance they might succeed. In addition, they probably all assume that Biden's dirty laundry is going to come out with respect to Hunter. He may or may not have done anything illegal, but regardless of that, it will probably hurt him in the polls, leading to Warren winning the nomination. The media absolutely fawn over Warren - so I can see the thought process behind all this.
Dammit, that was my hot take coming into this.

Warren isnt a moron. The left has been calling for impeachment for years now, but there hasnt been a real motive for her to do it until now.

This will surely destroy Biden's chance for getting the Democratic nod. He will be forced to withdraw with all the dirt that will come out if even half the reports are true about his ties to Ukraine.

Best case scenario for Warren is 2 of the presidential front runners are taken out; Trump and Biden. Worst case is just one of them, Biden, which gives her an easier path to the presidential ticket. And we've all seen that anything can happen once youre there.
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So the transcript is out, and DJT mentioned Biden ONCE during the thirty minute call. The egregious, high crimes and misdemeanor offense DJT committed is that he asked the Ukraine president to "look into" Biden and his son.

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So the transcript is out, and DJT mentioned Biden ONCE during the thirty minute call. The egregious, high crimes and misdemeanor offense DJT committed is that he asked the Ukraine president to "look into" Biden and his son.

Hahahaha
While he probably shouldnt have even said that, since it can easily be blown out of proportion especially with this RuSsIaN cOlLuSiOn thing the left loves, hardly an impeachment smoking gun.
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While he probably shouldnt have even said that, since it can easily be blown out of proportion especially with this RuSsIaN cOlLuSiOn thing the left loves, hardly an impeachment smoking gun.
You're 100% right, but you know what, fuck 'em. That was an orchestrated take down from the start so whatever DJT wants to give 'em back is fine by me. But yes you're right, he shouldn't have said it. Just add it to the infinite list of other dumb shit he's said.
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so now what? these are fake transcripts and demand audio? what are they going to go on next?
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The document, declassified by Trump a day earlier, indicates the call – which Trump made from the White House residence -- took place July 25 from 9:03 a.m. to 9:33 a.m. A notation on the memo says it does not represent a "verbatim transcript" but is based on "notes and recollections" of those listening and memorializing the call. It is still presented in transcript form.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ukr...tion-of-us-aid

I never expected this to be a smoking gun, otherwise there is no way in Hell the WH would agree to release an unredacted version of it.
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And itís out, much ado about nothing.
Now they're going to have to scratch up another insignificant issue to try and have him removed from office. What a pathetic clown show the left is.
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