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Republicans admit war on drugs was to supress black and anti-war liberals

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Dan Baum, writing in support of drug legalization at Harpers, has unleashed a frank 1994 quote from former Nixon policy advisor John Ehrlichman, and as inadvertently salient an argument for legalizing drugs as any Ive ever seen:

At the time, I was writing a book about the politics of drug prohibition. I started to ask Ehrlichman a series of earnest, wonky questions that he impatiently waved away. You want to know what this was really all about? he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what Im saying? We knew we couldnt make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.
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Dan Baum, writing in support of drug legalization at Harpers, has unleashed a frank 1994 quote from former Nixon policy advisor John Ehrlichman, and as inadvertently salient an argument for legalizing drugs as any Ive ever seen:

At the time, I was writing a book about the politics of drug prohibition. I started to ask Ehrlichman a series of earnest, wonky questions that he impatiently waved away. You want to know what this was really all about? he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what Im saying? We knew we couldnt make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.
So some guy who is now writing a book on the war on drugs, trots out a "quote" he allegedly got 22 years ago, from a guy in federal prison for political crimes? Did Ehrlichman verify that? Oh wait - he died 17 years ago. But it's probably accurate, right?
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Both parties and I repeat BOTH parties use the war on drugs to promote their militarization of the nations police force and push the Statist agenda.

Because your local police force needs camo and tanks to protect and serve the shit out of you.



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Both parties and I repeat BOTH parties use the war on drugs to promote their militarization of the nations police force and push the Statist agenda.

Because your local police force needs camo and tanks to protect and serve the shit out of you.


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Because, what I said was wrong? Thanks for your insightful, thoughtful and intelligent emoticon reply. lol
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Because, what I said was wrong? Thanks for your insightful, thoughtful and intelligent emoticon reply. lol
No, because I totally disagree with your comments and your depiction of the U.S. police forces. In addition, the U.S. is not the only country with laws against drugs and that uses police and military to enforce the laws. Thank you for your insightful, thoughtful and intelligent approach to a serious subject.
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War on drugs is now entirely about saving face in the state of continuing ineffective policy, and preserving the status quo of annual billions in funding, tens of thousands of jobs, and appalling numbers of asset seizures that pad the coffers and equipment inventories of local law enforcement.

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Because, what I said was wrong? Thanks for your insightful, thoughtful and intelligent emoticon reply. lol
No, because I totally disagree with your comments and your depiction of the U.S. police forces. In addition, the U.S. is not the only country with laws against drugs and that uses police and military to enforce the laws. Thank you for your insightful, thoughtful and intelligent approach to a serious subject.
My approach and understanding of political science exceeds your response with your emoticon on this "serious topic." Ironic. Also thanks for your second response which is a bunch of words that say absolutely nothing more than you disagree.
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My approach and understanding of political science exceeds your response with your emoticon on this "serious subject". Also thanks for your second response which is a bunch of words that say absolutely nothing more than you disagree.
Your post about bipartisan support for militarizing law enforcement was completely accurate, and anyone with half a brain will see that. Don't feed the idiot's derailment by getting into tit for tat.
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My approach and understanding of political science exceeds your response with your emoticon on this "serious topic." Ironic. Also thanks for your second response which is a bunch of words that say absolutely nothing more than you disagree.
I have a masters degree in political science. I fail to see how your rhetoric is intelligence and my comments are just a bunch of words. I could have said the same to you, but chose to be more respectful of you.
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Your post about bipartisan support for militarizing law enforcement was completely accurate, and anyone with half a brain will see that. Don't feed the idiot's derailment by getting into tit for tat.
I guess that is why you believe that you see it. Typical name calling because a person disagrees. If someone disagrees with you, they are an idiot and you are a genius.
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I guess that is why you believe that you see it. Typical name calling because a person disagrees. If someone disagrees with you, they are an idiot and you are a genius.
Yeah, you're right about my name calling. I dunno which is worse, though, that or you pulling your poly sci masters and expecting anybody to care. By the way, I know some people who actually stayed in the program, and got the Ph.D, from Rice nonetheless, and honestly, their views on political matters are about as valid as anyone's.
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Yeah, you're right about my name calling. I dunno which is worse, though, that or you pulling your poly sci masters and expecting anybody to care. By the way, I know some people who actually stayed in the program, and got the Ph.D, from Rice nonetheless, and honestly, their views on political matters are about as valid as anyone's.
The only reason I mentioned the degree was that he said that I didn't know anything about political science like he did. For me, there was no "staying in the program" as I went into the Air Force for 21 years after I graduated from college and earned the masters while in the Air Force. You are right, though. Degrees really mean nothing. Look at all the people in Washington D.C. that have law degrees
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Still confused as to why cops better equipped than criminals is a bad thing. Anyone? Anyone?
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Yeah, you're right about my name calling. I dunno which is worse, though, that or you pulling your poly sci masters and expecting anybody to care. By the way, I know some people who actually stayed in the program, and got the Ph.D, from Rice nonetheless, and honestly, their views on political matters are about as valid as anyone's.
The only reason I mentioned the degree was that he said that I didn't know anything about political science like he did. For me, there was no "staying in the program" as I went into the Air Force for 21 years after I graduated from college and earned the masters while in the Air Force. You are right, though. Degrees really mean nothing. Look at all the people in Washington D.C. that have law degrees
So you have a masters in Political Science and the most constructive response to my post was a thumbs down emoticon? Also, you got your degree in the military. Explains why you are so defensive and supportive of the military-industrial complex. Thanks for clarifying.
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So some guy who is now writing a book on the war on drugs, trots out a "quote" he allegedly got 22 years ago, from a guy in federal prison for political crimes? Did Ehrlichman verify that? Oh wait - he died 17 years ago. But it's probably accurate, right?
+1. What a joke. I guess the 10s of thousands who have died and the millions of people and their families whose lives have been shattered from heroine, and the 10s of thousands saved from making it illegal doesn't matter.
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Still confused as to why cops better equipped than criminals is a bad thing. Anyone? Anyone?
His premise is that drugs should not be illegal, so those involved in drugs are not criminals, and therefore the cops do not needs to be equipped as they are.
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So you have a masters in Political Science and the most constructive response to my post was a thumbs down emoticon? Also, you got your degree in the military. Explains why you are so defensive and supportive of the military-industrial complex. Thanks for clarifying.
I got my BS in political science and criminology from a university. I got my MS from a different university while in the military. It was not a military degree. I was never defensive, but yes, I totally support our military.
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His premise is that drugs should not be illegal, so those involved in drugs are not criminals, and therefore the cops do not needs to be equipped as they are.
A drug dealer is a murderer, thief, and deserving of the penalties of those crimes. Drug dealers, and other criminals for that matter use anything available to attack police. Police should be able to respond with as much force as needed to affect the arrest and keep themselves and the public safe. The so called militarization of police is a joke. They don't use belt fed weapons, helicopter gunships, antitank missles, etc. The liberals don't like the military in general and want British bobbies with Billy clubs. This equals dead cops. In Europe many officers carry full auto assault rifles as daily carry guns. It's widely used and accepted. If you see a cop geared out it should make you feel safer because he is more capable, unless you are a criminal. I'm sick and tired of the pc crew bitching about this total bull. And I'm sick of the black community allowing and even embracing drug dealers but at the same time trying to say cops, which in black communities are black by a vast majority, are the bad guys. They should be tar and feathering drug dealers and marching them into police stations like the scourge on their community they are. Not trying to help them evade arrest, etc.
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This is a phase we have to endure while the hippie generation is in power, i.e. now. It will be back when their kids, i.e. college students who the hippies raised come into power. What should be done is the federal government should enforce the laws on the books, arrest anyone selling pot in Colorado, etc, and make them do hard time to set the example. Not relaxing the laws to fit the current drug of the day.
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So you have a masters in Political Science and the most constructive response to my post was a thumbs down emoticon? Also, you got your degree in the military. Explains why you are so defensive and supportive of the military-industrial complex. Thanks for clarifying.
I got my BS in political science and criminology from a university. I got my MS from a different university while in the military. It was not a military degree. I was never defensive, but yes, I totally support our military.
Come on, with your degree(s) you should know the difference between supporting the military(something I do) and supporting the military-industrial complex. You're showing how little you know... You should have stopped while you were ahead, with your thumbs down emoticon.
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the most constructive response to my post was a thumbs down emoticon?
Talk about constructive responses, you have mentioned the emoticon in every post since I did it. That is a broken record without anything constructive.
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