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12-20-2021, 11:27 AM | #67 |
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As others have said, get a manual. Unless you don't really enjoy driving, and a car is just an appliance to you, taking you from point A to point B and back again.
Also, with one child and another on the way I say get 4 doors. When my kids were little I had a Supra and it became a real PITA getting out and pulling the front seats forward every time they had to get in and get out. It's so much easier to just open the back doors. Unless your kids won't be riding in your car very much. |
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Being in the UK we were brought up with MT, most of us never looked at AT until AT became more sophisticated, and had some really tangible driver adaptation built into the transmission management. I now drive AT, enjoy driving AT just as much as driving MT. I get a bit of seat time in MT rental and courtesy cars, but would not buy one as a daily driver. BTW, I go back to driving MT with crash boxes, (no synchromesh) and 3-speed AT. The first AT which grabbed my attention was the ZF 5-speed, made so much sense coupled to a BMW V8. The 8-speed burrs the lines between choosing AT vs. MT, IMO. We take our pick on how we want to drive, and how much we want to be involved. Learn to drive an AT properly, explore its finer nuances, and it can be as involving to drive as a stick. BTW: 35-years owning/driving MT, 19-years owning/driving AT. |
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12-20-2021, 01:41 PM | #71 |
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It is clear on this thread many love MT driving. I can take the flack, as MT isn't always the best setup for a daily driver. Yes, I see this from a European perspective. Engine and drivetrain combos with a lot of our diesels aren't always best suited to MT anyway. To the point BMW dropped MT on all the bigger diesel engines. Many models, petrol and diesel, haven't had an MT option for years. More new models dropping out all the time. Some of it due to lack of demand, even in M-cars. For example, the F10 M5 never had MT in the UK.
Driving for over 50-years, also teaches me MT can be very varied. Let's be honest, some MT setups are not that slick at all. Poor clutch action and clunky gearshifts. That includes BMW. If you want something like a G20/21 M340i in the UK, better like AT, as that's all that is on offer. G80 M3, same again, only AT. We can't say only "non enthusiasts" buy M340i or M3 models in the UK. |
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12-20-2021, 01:48 PM | #72 |
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Then you and everyone else are driving at distances where they wouldn't be able to react and stop if necessary. Good luck with all that, sounds stressful as hell to commute like that and I want no part of it.
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If the OP is asking the question, "should I get a manual car next?" then he's looking at cars that offer a manual transmission.
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Yup. For me specifically it would be G80/G87/CT4/5 V BW. Or if someone can help me convince my wife that putting small children in the back of an Evora isn't child abuse.. I'll consider that too.
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If it's for everyday driving and puttering around - personal choice. I have a auto for a DD.
But for a fun car? No question at all. Nothing feels as plugged in as having every single limb engaged as you burn thru the twisties and the only thing holding you in place is your ass cheeks. As good as auto's are - they will just never feel the same to me. You feel like you are a part of the machine.
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12-20-2021, 02:20 PM | #79 |
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I was referring specifically about the "enthusiast" and unavailable cars bit. No one cares what "enthusiasts" feel or prefer or whether cars are available in manual or not. Only about which ones ARE available.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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But "finer nuances" in an automatic? With THAT comment, you have some explaining to do.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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I certainly can explain. How it has a skill level, can be as involving as MT, but in a different way. For example, how many MT drivers (some who mock the AT) know the intricacies of 'kick-fast', (not kick-down), 'brake evaluation' or what gearshift suppression involves? How we, as drivers, have a direct influence in how we control these functions... to do exactly what we want. |
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fun car would be manual all day for me. but if i had to drive in congested traffic then i'd pick auto or dct. the only reason to buy a dct or auto is for convenience imo. there is hardly any performance benefit if you have no lift shift and the auto rev match. i got manual gt3 and f80. my 09 civic is an auto, i just throw it in D and cruise cruise to work while listening to a podcast sipping my coffee. its the car to drive when i don't care about driving.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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