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      12-12-2016, 08:48 PM   #45
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      12-12-2016, 09:10 PM   #46
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I got an i3 a few months ago and I completely agree. It's the best daily I have every driven. Quiet, smooth, torquey, spacious and so maneuverable. I still have my m3, but I much prefer the i3 for daily driving in Los Angeles. Cheers!
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I got an i3 a few months ago and I completely agree. It's the best daily I have every driven. Quiet, smooth, torquey, spacious and so maneuverable. I still have my m3, but I much prefer the i3 for daily driving in Los Angeles. Cheers!
Many bash this car with no idea of its capability.

Let them hate, makes no difference to me.
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      12-12-2016, 09:40 PM   #48
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Happy that u are happy my friend but I'm sorry to say this is a downgrade of epic proportions....x2

All the best!
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I sold my beautiful Viper GTS also..............but I'm buying an R8. Nice thought to buy an i3 but I give you 3 months to regret the loss of massive internal combustion You will return to the dark side
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      12-12-2016, 11:23 PM   #51
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You know, you would think so huh.....but my son is not a car guy, and my daughter just wants to save the environment. This is a very different generation. They didn't grow up with drag racing, street cruising, and modifying cars. It's not in their blood.
I like to think that the love for cars is still alive in my generation. Assuming your kids are millennials, I'm one myself and I'm on a mission to get all the modern successors of my childhood dream cars before they're toast thanks to the green-machine ripping away all my joy. At the age of 23 I'm under so much pressure to buy all my longtime favorites with "big engines" before they're extinct. I used to love the Viper, McLaren, and Merc SL as a kid in the 90's, and I'm thankful that I've already got 2 out of the three with one McLaren (most probably the 570S) to go. It makes me happy to see kids' eyes sparkling when I rev my AMG as I pass by - I feel as though I'm inspiring a whole new generation of car enthusiasts.

You should consider yourself lucky you had a chance to own these beautiful beasts at a simpler time with peace of mind. I hope whoever you sold them to will appreciate them just as much. Cheers
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      12-12-2016, 11:53 PM   #52
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After driving turboed m3 I can say, NA or nothing. Seriously, if electric car gives good power, handling, steering and suspension , and doesn't look like alien at the same time, why not?
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      12-13-2016, 12:30 AM   #53
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What a thread!

Congrats on your new BMW and I'm happy that u liked it
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After driving turboed m3 I can say, NA or nothing. Seriously, if electric car gives good power, handling, steering and suspension , and doesn't look like alien at the same time, why not?
No third pedal; that's why!
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      12-13-2016, 08:57 AM   #55
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I'm happy you are happy.... but saving the environment and all... you could have kept the ACR and *ahem* supervised the mileage and gas it drank vs some lucky dude is crushing the gas pumps right now.

You've just shifted the petrol consumption, not reduced it
That's not how it works.

Instead of buying another thirsty car he opted for a less thirsty one. This means the used thirsty car market will be smaller in the future. Cars don't last forever, so over a period of time this is what matters.
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      12-13-2016, 09:03 AM   #56
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The High beams are LED.
Just looked at mine sitting on the lot as it just arrived. It definitely has halogen bulbs for the high beams. Wonder if your dealership modified it?
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As a self admitted Viper fanboy this thread makes me sad but if the OP is happy that is all that matters.

I don't think we should kid ourselves on the electric cars helping the environment though. Every study done has shown that electric/hybrid cars don't become better for the environment until over 100k-150k miles of driving when compared to a similar size and age gas car. In OPs case if he was getting rid of the Viper and the S600 for the environment then it would have been better to buy a small sedan/compact the same size as the i3 instead of the electric/hyrbid i3.
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midlife crisis?
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...wife orders?
why not keep the cars & buy that keychain as a spare car...
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      12-13-2016, 05:54 PM   #60
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Just as a note...

No, you do not help the environment. Seriously. Electricity does not come free either; somebody pays for it, and it takes its toll to be produced.
I wouldn't probably go for a Viper but not for an I3 either.
A 2-3 series, or a even a very spacious and solid 5 with a diesel will do just fine. And with a diesel you will help the environment the most since you get the best energy/miles ratio. True

Do the math:
kwh battery capacity, $/per kwh charge, total $ per full charge to charge the battery.
Divide by "pure electric miles" and obtain cost per mile. Take after that in consideration the cost of the vehicle. Compare that with the cost of a normal 2 series (which is bigger and has a trunk) and see where you stand.
It was a test where the Volt cost $0.73/ mile and a normal gas 2.0 vehicle was $0.10/mile. Also keep in mind the max speed you can run on pure electric to get that range.

Oh, did I mentioned that to build a "green" vehicle damages the environment more than making an internal combustion vehicle?

Another thing, for example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On a small street, the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than 3 houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be over-loaded. There is also more pollution due to electricity demand, but you won't see it...

You will be surprised.
And all that, while you are sitting on top of an EMF environment which is as safe for your body as your cellphone is to the brain.
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I came from driving some of the fastest N54 BMWs around years ago. I can attest, the i3 is so much fun to drive still. There is a whole different group of cars you an have fun running against. The car is surprisingly quick in real life driving, because it is always ready with seamless acceleration around town.

As far as engine sound, I love how quiet is it, because it is eye opening to hear how much noise and commotion other cars make next to you. I love the turbine jet type sound the i3 motor makes. Very addicting. I go around town just flooring the thing from 20-50mph for the awesome feeling it gives. All the while I am averaging 100mpge instead of 14mpg of all my N54 BMWs.
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I'm happy you are happy.... but saving the environment and all... you could have kept the ACR and *ahem* supervised the mileage and gas it drank vs some lucky dude is crushing the gas pumps right now.

You've just shifted the petrol consumption, not reduced it
That's not how it works.

Instead of buying another thirsty car he opted for a less thirsty one. This means the used thirsty car market will be smaller in the future. Cars don't last forever, so over a period of time this is what matters.
I won't go into my usual diatribe of carbon footprint and the "eco/green" movement hypocrisy...

Someone, somewhere is caning on that Viper and Merc.

So if you're truly going to amortize the petroleum consumption of that car, it's better as a pleasure car that would be used on the weekends or 1 or 2 x per month. At 14mpg either car, put on say 100 miles a month, that's 7 gallons or so...

Versus the MB daily driving.... who knows the OPs commute but let's assume 40 miles a day (I think that's average right?). That's 800 miles a month not including weekends. That's more like 56 gallons... as a conservative estimate of 3 tanks. So in the course of a year, like 10k miles so 700ish gallons.

So i3 as a daily will save whatever the i3s consumption is to the MB Delta. And you drive the viper on the weekends and net a huge reduction in fuel consumption.

All of this is moot as the i3 is in the OPs possession and I drive a TTV8 and couldn't give 2 hoots about mpgs.... let's worry about something else that may move the needle like say.... China's air pollution????
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Pretty depressing post for me too...,but I must say some of the pro's of the i3 are strong! Best of luck.
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I won't go into my usual diatribe of carbon footprint and the "eco/green" movement hypocrisy...

Someone, somewhere is caning on that Viper and Merc.

So if you're truly going to amortize the petroleum consumption of that car, it's better as a pleasure car that would be used on the weekends or 1 or 2 x per month. At 14mpg either car, put on say 100 miles a month, that's 7 gallons or so...

Versus the MB daily driving.... who knows the OPs commute but let's assume 40 miles a day (I think that's average right?). That's 800 miles a month not including weekends. That's more like 56 gallons... as a conservative estimate of 3 tanks. So in the course of a year, like 10k miles so 700ish gallons.

So i3 as a daily will save whatever the i3s consumption is to the MB Delta. And you drive the viper on the weekends and net a huge reduction in fuel consumption.

All of this is moot as the i3 is in the OPs possession and I drive a TTV8 and couldn't give 2 hoots about mpgs.... let's worry about something else that may move the needle like say.... China's air pollution????
You're assuming the Viper's new owner is a 17yo with a 200mi commute, and the OP only used it to drive his mother to church on Sundays. Chances are the new owner will drive it in a similar manner as the OP. Plus, as the car ages it will be driven less and less.

Electrics haven't realized their full potential yet, and still have a number of challenges to overcome - but if you think we'll all be driving something powered by fossil fuels in 20 years you may be in for a surprise.
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