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But do you care? Especially on a 2.25 ton EV. I mean it's not like you'll be rocking up at Laguna Seca to get in a few PB's anytime soon. |
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But also high speeds really deplete an EV battery, and generate exponentially high heat, so it becomes an impractical exercise to run an EV at high speeds. |
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11-28-2021, 08:28 AM | #271 | |
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I'd imagine the model 3 aerodynamics are significantly better than the i4, so would naturally have a higher top speed potential. Bit of a moot statistic on an EV though. : |
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It was another poster who asked for the reason for the i4’s relatively low maximum speed, so it’s not a “moot” statistic for this discussion (or in Germany). |
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11-29-2021, 02:59 AM | #273 | ||
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The other factor could just be car / drivetrain dynamics. The cD and frontal area are different on both cars, worse for BMW. At top speed that makes a huge difference, especially so on electric motors that shed torque with rpm much more than an ICE. It is possible that even unrestricted the BMW M50 is not capable of accelerating much beyond 140mph, so it was pegged at a round number (225km/h). As for my point about relevance of top speed. Any EV would be using up massive amounts of power at those speeds. It isn't something you could sustain for long periods as your range would be dropping like a Mig 29 on afterburner. You are also likely to start having LIMP mode from overheated battery/ motor, so not the most effective way to travel in real world situations. |
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Taycan does have 2-gear and should be capable of higher max speed compared to i4/Tesla, but Porsche plays it safe so that drivers won't go too fast. |
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That article mirrors exactly what I have said here about the Autopilot and Tesla. About camera only systems not being up to the task, etc., etc. I feel vindicated.
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One of the commenters was spot on. When it starts to affect sales, they’ll start to care about QC. But until the i4 or similar starts to take marketshare (which could take awhile), Tesla doesn’t give two sh!ts. Lemmings will still line up.
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The quality in general. :
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Wow so after 4+ years of shipping Model 3, the paint and QC issues are still not fully resolved.
I still would buy a Model 3 if 250-300 miles costs $30k-ish MSRP before tax + fees and incentives, but these days a base Model 3 SR goes for $46k MSRP. At those price ranges, many other BEVs, including high priced i4, become viable. |
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does anyone have the final drive ratio of the M50?
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I would trust a Fisker Ocean built by Magna much, much more, and with federal tax credit, just about right on the $30k price point for the base model. https://www.motor1.com/news/548912/f...range-details/
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Or Tesla is hard hit by supply shortage and can only fill high priced orders. Or Tesla has 250k-300k US customers taking up all of Fremont plant's capacity for next 12 months. |
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