[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

Anyway, Tesla has great marketing but their vision and ADAS is not the most advanced in the industry. It's the most dangerous in the industry.

Trying to educate Tesla enthusiasts about facts is futile.

The best defense is to stay away from them.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

…The best defense is to stay away from them.

Ironic that you don’t take your own advice!

Back on topic, it seems that at street speeds (<100 mph) the Tesla is quicker. That’s what 1000 lbs. less weight will do.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Chevy Bolt?!?!? Oh, you mean the car with a battery flaw so dangerous that EVERY ONE EVER MADE was recalled?!?

Oh yeah - great value there.

Back on topic, why are you posting about not caring about acceleration in a thread dedicated to comparing the acceleration of a Tesla and a BMW?!?

So for the record I was talking about value proposition. If it was just about the acceleration times people wouldn't have been touting and extolling the greatness of Tesla FSD that isn't.

But based on your tone, I can tell you are a Tesla fan boy.

Also there have been a total of 14 Bolt fires and there is no tracking of cells in the battery packs, so even Tesla doesn't have tracking at that level. So in an abundance of caution, because GM, unlike Tesla, contacts the NHTSA and does real recalls for both hardware and software.

We won't talk about Tesla and Home Depot crap under the hood. The glass roof flying off. Cars running into emergency vehicles when on autopilot. Cars mistaking the moon for yellow traffic lights.

You cannot think you can come to a BMW forum and spout pro Tesla Propaganda and not get checked

There is more to a car than 0-60. Also at sub 4 second times, if you blink you lose anyway. I don't see myself doing stop light races in my it M50. I do see myself in a lot more luxury and comfort than a TM3 though.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

There is more to a car than 0-60. Also at sub 4 second times, if you blink you lose anyway. I don't see myself doing stop light races in my it M50. I do see myself in a lot more luxury and comfort than a TM3 though.

And your passengers, and the others drivers on the roads(like myself and my family), and CHP thank you.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Ironic that you don’t take your own advice!

Back on topic, it seems that at street speeds (<100 mph) the Tesla is quicker. That’s what 1000 lbs. less weight will do.

Yes most of family and friends(and myself!) do take my advice to stay away from Tesla cars, u may consider that advice too, by not driving your Tesla.

1000lb weight reduction of Tesla comes at a cost that most Tesla owners do not realize, and that's most unfortunate.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

Yes most of family and friends(and myself!) do take my advice to stay away from Tesla cars, u may consider that advice too, by not driving your Tesla.

1000lb weight reduction of Tesla comes at a cost that most Tesla owners do not realize, and that's most unfortunate.

Tesla.ownwrs keep coming back and all they can claim is that the TM3 weighs less and is quicker.

They say nothing about adaptive suspension. oh, doesn't have that.

Nothing about creature comfort.

Noting about lighting at night. Just for the record BMW is better.

anyway...

[Acturater]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Ironic that you don’t take your own advice!

Back on topic, it seems that at street speeds (<100 mph) the Tesla is quicker. That’s what 1000 lbs. less weight will do.

What is your end game to this convo? You’ve apparently established the performance metrics of each vehicle per the thread title. What’s left?

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

Tesla.ownwrs keep coming back and all they can claim is that the TM3 weighs less and is quicker.

They say nothing about adaptive suspension. oh, doesn't have that.

Nothing about creature comfort.

Noting about lighting at night. Just for the record BMW is better.

anyway...

It is good that Tesla starts to do safety recall per NHTSA inquiries.

I think Tesla owners(and TSLA owners) should demand NHTSA to subpoena all Tesla OTA data and figure how many safety recalls were secretly done, the general public wants to know the truth!

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

It is good that Tesla starts to do safety recall per NHTSA inquiries.

I think Tesla owners(and TSLA owners) should demand NHTSA to subpoena all Tesla OTA data and figure how many safety recalls were secretly done, the general public wants to know the truth!

They do safety related software updates with no NHTSA notification.

No thanks.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

They do safety related software updates with no NHTSA notification.

No thanks.

This recall was announced today.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...ot-recall-fix/

[Sportstick]

I cannot be sure of anyone's true intent/"end game" on these threads. But, when I read that someone thinks street driving speeds go up to 100mph, I see no further reason to engage on any topic.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

But...I see no further reason to engage on any topic.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

The horse's name is "Sanity".

Hi Mayim I'll take sanity for $2000........

What is it with Tesla fan boys?
It may we'll have been the first widely adopted EV.but that doesn't make it the best. Sales numbers don't make it best. It makes it popular.

I don't buy cars for a popularity contest.
I also don't buy cars for a single aspect.

0-60 is just one small thing that I don't even care about. I'm not an 18 year old stop light racer.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

Hi Mayim I'll take sanity for $2000........

What is it with Tesla fan boys?
It may we'll have been the first widely adopted EV.but that doesn't make it the best. Sales numbers don't make it best. It makes it popular.

I don't buy cars for a popularity contest.
I also don't buy cars for a single aspect.

0-60 is just one small thing that I don't even care about. I'm not an 18 year old stop light racer.

I deleted my post. It was a quip, but I realized is was pointless.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

…

Interesting watching both your and your friend immediately ignoring your previously stated intention of “not interacting”.

But keep it up; keep self-owning. The contradiction/cognitive dissonance is hilarious to witness.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

0-60 is just one small thing that I don't even care about...

So again, WTH is your purpose in posting in a thread that’s about acceleration?!?

Oh, right - “owning” anyone who dares to question BMW. LOL!!!

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

So again, WTH is your purpose in posting in a thread that's about acceleration?!?

Oh, right - "owning" anyone who dares to question BMW. LOL!!!

Because in the 8 pages of this thread we have talked about ADAS, reliability, safety, options and just about everything else.

And no, just making sure Tesla fan boys don't corrupt the BMW environment with fake Elon propaganda.

So are you the thread police?

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Interesting watching both your and your friend immediately ignoring your previously stated intention of “not interacting”.

But keep it up; keep self-owning. The contradiction/cognitive dissonance is hilarious to witness.

Non-consequential interacting on a public forum is all-OK, but honestly staying away from reckless Tesla drivers on public roads is great self defense that my friends and family(including the not-so-reckless Tesla folks) subscribe to.

And do realize the thread title of 0-220kmh is on closed tracks with pro/semi-pro drivers, not for amateur drivers that risk everyone's lives on public roads.

[Acturater]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

So again, WTH is your purpose in posting in a thread that’s about acceleration?!?

Oh, right - “owning” anyone who dares to question BMW. LOL!!!

Dude just move on. Good natured debate is fine. What u r doing is being toxic. If u enjoy driving your TM3 as much as u claim why don’t u go get behind the wheel instead of posting in a BMW forum for a model that won’t even ship this year. Otherwise it’s pretty clear u dont actually enjoy it as much as u profess. That would actually explain a lot.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

And no, just making sure Tesla fan boys don't corrupt the BMW environment with fake Elon propaganda.

So are you the thread police?

Ummm, no, but I guess you are??

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Acturater

Good natured debate is fine. ...

Please, by all means, show me the "good natured debate" from any of the BMW fanbois in this thread...

Go ahead, I'll wait.....

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by Acturater

Dude just move on. Good natured debate is fine. What u r doing is being toxic. If u enjoy driving your TM3 as much as u claim why don’t u go get behind the wheel instead of posting in a BMW forum for a model that won’t even ship this year. Otherwise it’s pretty clear u dont actually enjoy it as much as u profess. That would actually explain a lot.

Unfortunately there are several friends that are in that group and quietly swapped out their Tesla's for something else. It does take some self reflections on their parts to leave behind the hypes, but it can be done.