[aksi]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Well....not everyone can be as well rounded and adjusted as you. More's the pity.

I am not perfect or have no problem in any way, but..
I just do not like to criticize or anything like that without any background knowledge or experience in anything.
Specially this "gun culture" thing from people who do not know crap about anything makes me lol.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

To a point in the past, I agree. I seriously doubt if the .22LR my father gave me for Christmas when I was 12 showed up at a homicide that my dad or I would ever be contacted unless latents were retrieved.

For the record, I actually AM for registration. I also strongly support the concept of background investigations, but would prefer something like a gun license where I could do it once and be done until it were revoked by the courts. Then instead of a 15-day wait, I get it when I buy it. IF I already have the gun license, I already have a weapon I could use in a heat of passion event.

I also like the new law here in CA where a petition to the courts by family/friends can lead to probable cause to search for weapons, vis a vie that Santa Barbara shooter.

With a concealed carry permit, at least in free states, the waiting period is waived. I can purchase and take home on the same day.

I can't get on board with the petition law. Too many jilted people out there who wouldn't give a second thought about wasting police time and possibly infringing on someones rights just because they are pissed. And as posed previously, what if your kid or wife is pissed at you, they call fictitiously, cops search your home, find your weapons. What then?

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

With a concealed carry permit, at least in free states, the waiting period is waived. I can purchase and take home on the same day.

I can't get on board with the petition law. Too many jilted people out there who wouldn't give a second thought about wasting police time and possibly infringing on someones rights just because they are pissed. And as posed previously, what if your kid or wife is pissed at you, they call fictitiously, cops search your home, find your weapons. What then?

I feel that you as an American made a mistake here...a serious flaw which deeply concerns me. I've bolded it for your reading pleasure.

What you should have said was
"And as posed previously, what if your kid or wife is pissed at you, they call fictitiously, cops search your home, find your firearms ."

They are firearms. They only become weapons when used that way.

Soooo....you view them as weapons do you??? Surrender them immediately you law-breaking criminal.

[KlausPA]

Originally Posted by Templar

Really curious as to how you came to that conclusion...

Other reasons are lame... For protection? To protect what? The purse?

If you decide to carry for protection then you CARRY it... This woman treated her firearm just like her lipstick or her car keys. I bet you she was carrying her phone in her pocket...

[KlausPA]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Do Americans have any clue how the rest of the world shakes it's head at it's gun culture? Absolutely stupifying.

Oh boy! Don't mess with my guns, my religion and my 41 oz. Big Gulp!

[Templar]

Originally Posted by Parry

^LOL at the gun butt hurt here. Guy has an avatar of a gun pointed at you.

Go ahead make my day

My avatar is from a pretty old anime cartoon...

Enjoy your ban, see you in a week or so.

[KlausPA]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

All descendants of the rest of the world.

Thank the government for that.

Agree and it is only getting worse... I wonder if it is too late to reel back and make people accountable for their life choices and consequences.

[PINeely]

Originally Posted by Templar

My avatar is from a pretty old anime cartoon...

Enjoy your ban, see you in a week or so.

One of the most quintessential scenes from that show as well. Only beaten by the fall out of the stained glass window.

[MiddleAgedAl]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

Your post touches on important issues. Going from bottom to top; what worries me about your statement is that you seem to think the country is supposed to get it's people "somewhat civilized and educated." Well, that can only happen the other way round. The people need to get themselves civilized and educated. The government can't do that.

Pardon my ignorance here, but if the gov is the entity which issues permits to carry, then they certainly can ensure the people who receive such permits are at least educated prior to receiving the permit.

"Civilized", well that's a subjective thing that's hard to nail down, but educated, that is certainly within reasonable grasp as part of the process. Sit thru some lecture about how it's a really dumb idea to leave your gun loose in a purse, be tested on what bad things can happen if do so. Dont pass the test, dont get a concealed permit.

Obviously it still wont guarantee zero issues like this in the future, but it's still better than nothing... isn't it ??

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by MiddleAgedAl

Pardon my ignorance here, but if the gov is the entity which issues permits to carry, then they certainly can ensure the people who receive such permits are at least educated prior to receiving the permit.

"Civilized", well that's a subjective thing that's hard to nail down, but educated, that is certainly within reasonable grasp as part of the process. Sit thru some lecture about how it's a really dumb idea to leave your gun loose in a purse, be tested on what bad things can happen if do so. Dont pass the test, dont get a concealed permit.

Obviously it still wont guarantee zero issues like this in the future, but it's still better than nothing... isn't it ??

She had to go through a class like you're describing in order to obtain a concealed carry permit. So did i. Unlike my high school Spanish classes, i actually absorbed the information i was subjected to during my concealed carry class. I can't say the same for everyone.

My statement you quoted was more along the lines not being able to make a horse drink after leading it to water.

[KlausPA]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

Unlike my high school Spanish classes.

Una cerveza senorita por favor?

[UncleWede]

I think if the judge agrees, and PD finds weapons, they are impounded. Not sure if the owner is taken in

As to jilted people, the judge will typically issue some contempt if you waste his time with trivial snide complaints

The guy in Santa Barbara the cops came by but didn't go into his house to search his room

[WreckerX5d]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

yeah, but your actions prior to 5 years old aren't immortalized on the internet for all to see.

I'm just talking about him having a mental image of his mother getting shot and getting PTSD.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by KlausPA

Una cerveza senorita por favor?

Originally Posted by UncleWede

I think if the judge agrees, and PD finds weapons, they are impounded. Not sure if the owner is taken in

As to jilted people, the judge will typically issue some contempt if you waste his time with trivial snide complaints

The guy in Santa Barbara the cops came by but didn't go into his house to search his room

So you think a judge will have to be involved in order to allow police to show up and search? Or would it be more like a domestic violence call where they show up and the call itself is probable cause?

Yeah, apparently if they would have gone in they would have not only found his weapons, but his manifesto was also in plain sight. But if i recall, the police said that they didn't search because the kid seem well rounded and not unstable during their interview. In addition, this was a police wellness check requested by the parents' attorney.

Originally Posted by Wrecker335d

I'm just talking about him having a mental image of his mother getting shot and getting PTSD.

I see. Boy i hope your right.

[UncleWede]

IIRC, a judge still has to see and grant the approval to search/remove the weapons. The evidence presented is designed to be enough to get past the well-rounded person answering the door.