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The ADAS system isn't 5 years old. You can make the same argument for the TM3. They dumped modern adaptive suspension and steering due to cost.
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As predicted they won’t allow this car to be faster than the M3/4 anyway so I suppose it doesn’t matter, but still irks me nonetheless
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Not very fun because it has to be significantly faster than regular Ms to compensate for no noise like a Tesla not just matching or coming close to the performance.
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Of all the BMW electric vehicles, only i4 M50 is under consideration. But only after a test drive and measure-7-times-cut-once thinking thereafter.
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Once they get closer to 500 mile range they can be considered. These are like when smartphones first came out with 1 day battery life. Under 300 miles is bad especially if you want to keep it between 20-80% capacity. Then figure you get about 80% after a year or two of what they tell you that you get and you have very poor range unless you just drive it in the city for small errands
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tesla's jig is gonna be up when the traditional automakers start making compelling EVs and this BMW is a good start. Last edited by supershaft; 10-13-2021 at 11:00 PM.. |
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Now moving headquarters to Texas. So besides the crappy quality I'd never buy one because they are moving headquarters to Texas. But back to the interior. I would never buy a car that requires me to look away from the road to get basic information. You must look to the center and it has no HUD. You can't glance at a guage cluster because it doesn't have one. For all those touting the glory of the TM3, please go buy one. You probably aren't a BMW buyer anyway.
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Having to worry how i'm driving because of range / charge challenges is a deal breaker for me. I want to drive the way i want on the piece of road that i'm on. I don't want the appliance to decide that for me or having to make a detour and waste time to charge it to make it where i need to go. Battery tech is just not there yet and charging is too long.
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Clearly, and like I said, the real variables are how he drove it and the roads. The "partial battery" was 99% charged at the start, so not really partial.
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That range was NEVER an issue. Your figures are way overblown and your degredation figures are way pessimistic. |
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I've driven my two now over 70k miles and have to say the whole "you have to take your eyes off the road" thing is totally, totally overblown. First of all, checking your speed by looking to the center screen is just as easy as glancing down. Second of all, almost everything is auto, and the screen logic is so easily laid out that it's a dawdle to operate. Third, I own a 958 generation Cayenne, which has buttons for freaking EVERYTHING. Let me tell you, you have to look down to operate those too, because there's a button for everything! People make too much hype out of the screen controlling most things because it's foreign to them and they haven't lived with it. Having said that, I believe that the i4, or really the iX, has the right amount of buttons. The Tesla has some controls that really would be better as direct buttons. Like the wipers, for one. |
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For this reason I like reviews where the cars are actually driven at speed on roads. |
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I honestly wish the EPA would make their range testing more accurate as well as offer both a city and hwy range similar to ICE vehicles, because I have no idea what the hell MPGe means and how to interpret it.
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I also own a car with some of the most heavily button laden interiors ever produced (and once previously owned one with even more buttons, the Acura MDX). The Acura and my current Cayenne I've personally driven each of those in excess of 75,000 miles. There is a balance between the two. I will tell you that although your statement is, on the surface, logical (i.e. you need to take eyes off the road to operate a screen), both the placement of said screen and the amount of times you actually need to look at the screen represent no more significant eyes down time as an interior filled with many small buttons. Which ALSO require eyes off the road as they cannot simply be used by muscle memory. Because if you think that this is easy to memorize and operate at speed, I'm telling you, you're wrong. So go ahead and believe what you want. I've got the seat time behind both and mine isn't an opinion, it's an actual experience. Agree Tesla's yoke is a joke but that's a whataboutism argument and has no bearing on touchscreens being useful. |
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Consider MPG is a consumption rate. It has nothing to do with overall range. Range of an ICE vehicle is calculated by multiplying your consumption (Miles / Gallon) by available fuel capacity (gallons) to get miles of range. So if you do 20MPG city, 30 MPG highway and have a 20 MPG tank, your range is 400 to 600 miles. (assuming you do the actual MPG and assuming all 20 gallons are usable but that's another story). Range on an EV is kind of backwards thinking compared to ICE, because just like you can increase range on an ICE by either decreasing consumption or increasing tank size, on an EV you can get more range with a bigger battery or lower consumption (Wh/ Mile). So while a Tesla Model 3 might have similar range to a Mustang MachE, the Tesla has a 72 kWh battery while the Mustang has a 92 kWh one. kWh is a measure of energy storage in that you can sustain a power delivery of 72 kW for one hour, or 1 kW for 72 hours, or anywhere in between. The Mustang has a bigger battery, or larger energy storage, and that's how it gets better range. MPGe corrects for the battery size, and tells you how efficient (relating to more or less consumption, lower or higher Wh/mile) your EV is. The e in MPG is a conversion used as 1 gallon of gas contains the same amount of energy as 33.4 kWH of electricity. So a Tesla Model 3 has barely over 2 gallons worth of gas on board, essentially. While a Mustang MachE has just under 3. It's a goofy conversion meant to try to give people something 'relatable'. What would be far more accurate, but ultimately harder to understand, would be to tell people what kind of consumption an EV has at City and Highway speeds. Consumption in the us being kWh / mile, or Wh/100 miles. But then people would ask "well how far does that mean I can go" and so the EPA doesn't use that info. I know this wasn't well written, but I hope it does shed some light. |
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