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Automakers in America should give 4 numbers
Range at 60mph Range at 70mph Range at 80mph Range at 90mph Automakers in Europe should give 3 numbers: Range at 100 km/h Range at 120 km/h Range at 150 km/h That way people would know the range on the situation that matters them most: long distance travels that’s when you drive at those speeds and it’s very important to know the range to plan the stops you’ll have to make. At slow speeds you always have enough range. Ps: if I have to reduce those numbers to one, it would be Range at 90mph (or 150km/h). Knowing that number I would have enough information. |
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Even in warmer climate, like here in Houston, the range wouldn’t be great. You can easily do 80-90Mph on a commute during non-peak traffic
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BTW nice to see you again AndroidRobot. I was in the X5 forums when you were around and you were always a great source of info and high quality pics! Are you somewhat interested in the iX or just passing by? |
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- how much wind - which way the wind blowing - air density - road surface - how much bird poop on the road - air temperature - spin of the earth - pull of the moon - accidental accelerations by the foot - accidental misjudging regen and using friction brakes - slipstream of car in front - super gentle right foot - tires - tire pressure - traffic could the Edmunds test control all these factors? maybe the EPA test should be improved but isn't the idea of standardised testing to control these things but just make it more real world? don't know, just brain fart sorry |
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01-17-2023, 04:01 PM | #28 | |
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but nobody i know can replicate that - they all tell me Teslas don't have good range. |
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01-17-2023, 04:24 PM | #29 | |
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It's not that they don't have good range, they just can't get the advertised range in even perfect conditions doing highway speeds. |
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When you cross shop an EV with Tesla and the Tesla rated range is 30% higher but achievable real world it’s only 10% better that’s the difference between no-buy and sure why not. |
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What doesn’t make sense is when Porsche’s EPA is 190 but can go 240 and Tesla’s is 330 and goes 260. The inconsistency makes you have to go do a ton of research (I.e., wait for a real world test review) to understand what the true range is. If I drive very slowly in 70F with no wind and no rain and no heater on, I can get 250 wh/m which is full range. But who wants to - or who can - drive in those conditions? So on my old tesla model 3 perf I averaged 315 wh/mi over 15k miles, which is approx. 79% of the quoted full range number. And you have to start at 80% battery for optimal battery management, so I’d effectively have 59% usable range on the daily … and you don’t really want the battery to go below 20%, so now you have 39%. It’s just ridiculous. Oh, and when/if you do start at 100% charge the first 10% is gone very quickly because of no regen brake. Bottom line is it’s a great short distance efficient machine, and there are cost savings relative to most ICE options, but the range inconsistencies or variabilities and other requirements are something the average consumer probably isn’t aware of…
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when i look at that chart the astronomical range at high speed are cars with a second gear (has a 2 speed transmission).
the ones with "one" gear (no transmission altogether) don't do as well at high speed. but when you drive the taycan at low speed it's very very high power consumption! almost double the tesla. trouble with transmission is you are adding another complex thing that is going to be the weak link and first to break over the life of the vehicle. if money is no problem then sure. but not for the rest of us. |
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I did a whole stupid excel sheet taking all the known range test sites/youtubers and comparing/averaging across per model. This was also complicated by different model year / specs being tested in some cases since a lot of these cars have 2-4 flavors (or like 6 for Porsche), plus slight changes to pack sizes and heat pumps year to year. Another big variable is performance in cold vs ideal warmth. Cars with heat pumps generally do better, but not all heat pumps are created equal so you end up also wanting to read reviews for that. InsideEVs is one of several sources I used - https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791...-test-results/ Note Tesla across the board misses their range by 10-15%, while Lucid, Mercedes, BMW and in *some* cases Ford beat theirs by 5-10%, or in Porsche case like 36%. If that's not confusing enough, 2 similar sounding specs from Ford have different performance vs rating: 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E California Route 1 Edition -6% 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E AWD Extended Range + 5% !? So instead of the Cali Rt1 doing 35mi more range, it only does.. 2! more miles, in this test. Another game some play is that EPA ratings are done at default settings. So for example Tesla defaulted regen to max power over the years, and then slowly took away regen settings in most of their cars so it is stuck at max. So they test well. Then others give you lots of regen & acceleration settings and default to medium-ish, so they test OK, but can be configured by user for better highway cruising. |
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I enjoy reading up on all cars still and drop by accordingly I appreciate it! I loved my X5 despite the rather problematic times it had.
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they simply need to be younger and tighter… with the leather of course
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How accurate are the soc charge status numbers, I currently see 80%/306 miles(climate control turned off) outside temps around 60F. These numbers seem very good but I'm averaging about 29kwh /100 miles at these temps which doesn't add up, do I need to do some kinda reset to adjust the SOC numbers?
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Finally got around to cleaning it up Some of the Taycan numbers need updating as new model year & new software get highway range tested.. Attached as a zip since it doesn't like csv/xls/xlsx/numbers formats.. |
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Posted in another thread, 15.1 kWh/100km 35km of which highway 25km at 100km/h, 7 km stop go and 3km backroad ... no heating on 10C outside ... that would be around 650km range!
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