[fravel]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

Nothing is safe, so live life by good judgement and dont let people tell you street racing is bad just because some people died doing it. Some people die doing everything in life you can possibly think of. Im not going to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death. How boring is that?

It's not about how the driver could die. No one gives a shit about the driver. If you want to go out and wrap your car around a tree please be my guest, no one is telling you that isn't your prerogative. The problem comes from the fact that street racing puts INNOCENT lives (read: people who didn't choose to be involved in your death wish) at risk. Your right to swing your fists ends at the tip of my nose.

The 2 fatalities in this very incident were people who were walking down the sidewalk. Please tell me more about how getting your adrenaline fix is worth more than whatever plans/hopes/dreams they might have had for their lives.

Methinks you need to remember Uncle Ben... "With great power comes great responsibility."

EDIT: Wanna really make your butthole pucker? Drop your insurance.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

I think your right on most of what you said. Where you lost me is in bold. I think you got it wrong in the sense that good judgement is what keeps you alive on the day to day basis. Whether you street race or not, its the judgement that you must rely on. Street racing isnt bad, but is it 100% safe? No. Is carrying a gun on you 100% safe? Hell no, what if someone took it right off of your hip and used it for harm? What if you missed your shot and killed an innocent by stander while in a shoot out? What if you die today while driving to work? Nothing is safe, so live life by good judgement and dont let people tell you street racing is bad just because some people died doing it. Some people die doing everything in life you can possibly think of. Im not going to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death. How boring is that?

Shoot out? Wtf do you live in Syria? Shoot outs are RARE. HOw many shootouts have you been in? I was in the Marines and I never seen a shootout. Training drills yes, and actual firefight no...

Yes street racing is bad and illegal due to the fact that you can get innocent people killed very easily.

[RunFlatOut]

Top racing drivers get paid a lot partly because every race puts their life on the line. There is no such thing as a low-risk race. The only reason they don't die every day is that these guys have a level of skill and understanding that is about 1000000 times bigger than normal drivers and on which they rely to mitigate the risks for every inch of the race.

And being able to floor it and turn a steering wheel, do a doughnut or a burnout does not qualify you as a pilot.

[Axius]

Street racing is dumb, we used to race on French in Detroit and there were a number of instances where someone lost control and went into everyone watching on the sides. Hell one kid got killed when he was sandwiched between the nose of a GSX and door of a GTI. After seeing that never went back, pretty hard situation to absorb watching it unfold.


RIP to the family and hopefully the court system will give the man and daughters family at least some justice.

[RedOctober]

RIP. Tragic beyond words.
As for the "dont street race, it's dangerous & illegal" reminds me of municipalities which make skateboarding illegal because it's dangerous.
I've street raced. Very literally a thousand times if not more. For years. About 34 of them now.
There is a TIME and PLACE for everything. Including street racing.
We've always done it like the 405 crew on street outlaws: outside the city with no houses for miles. Very late at night. No booze, no losers. No pedestrians. Just big money and fast cars.
But as for THIS post - may those 2 drivers feel the full weight of the law applied to their idiotic behavior. It is because of these horribly tragic events that we make sure we have our show downs in appropriate places at appropriate times!

[RedOctober]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Damn you're 22.. SO yeah you obviously got expert level knowledge.

Oh and you live in Wisconsin; not exactly a heavy traffic state.

A WHOLE 22. lol

No seriously, heavy traffic in cheesetown isn't the issue.
Have you seen the roads up there??
I've driven on better roads in Somalia.

[Benstuck]

Originally Posted by Doc Oc

What is it about mustang guys. Insecure? Around here they're always revving at stop lights and trying to race anything they can. I was towing a boat with my Nissan Titan the other day and had to accelerate hard coming out of a light and there happened to be a yellow stang sitting at the opposite light. As I passed him he revved on me! In my truck....with a boat. Wtf.

Feel terrible for the dead father and daughter. Awful.

Exactly! It's always a Camaro, mustang, or challenger revving their engine next to me as I drive in my Tundra.

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

I can't believe this post. Street racing is ILLEGAL and it is that way for a reason. People have no business racing each other on public streets - period. People who can't handle the situation, thought that they could at the time. But they couldn't and somebody else paid for it. Two people in Texas are dead because two people thought like you.

Speeding is illegal too, but yet you do it. Shame on you. Make up your own mind and realize that laws are there for the extremists. Now days, you cant even half throttle your car (at least me with my power level) without getting a ticket for "excessive acceleration". It is what it is. Have some common sense and you will be fine. Street racing is only bad when in the hands of "dumb" people. Again, its not 100% safe, but neither is a lot of things.

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Exactly... My taxes are paying for the roads and for the peace of mind that I won't be taken out by some kid who feels the need to floor his car 24/7.

Who said anything about "flooring my car 24/7".

[shay2nak]

Originally Posted by Skhmund

Exactly! It's always a Camaro, mustang, or challenger revving their engine next to me as I drive in my Tundra.

I was driving next to a loud Mustang on the way to work this morning and even at 10mph I was expecting it to lose control and T-bone my car. Roads were a bit wet and pretty cold outside. lol

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Given he's in an 08 M3; yeah he's pretty close to 400whp

I said its not even 400. Not whether its close or not smart one.

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Umm yeah it proves the point that nearly all street racing crashes are due to the driver losing control of his car..

False, one article doesn't prove anything in terms of the nation as a whole.

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by fravel

It's not about how the driver could die. No one gives a shit about the driver. If you want to go out and wrap your car around a tree please be my guest, no one is telling you that isn't your prerogative. The problem comes from the fact that street racing puts INNOCENT lives (read: people who didn't choose to be involved in your death wish) at risk. Your right to swing your fists ends at the tip of my nose.

The 2 fatalities in this very incident were people who were walking down the sidewalk. Please tell me more about how getting your adrenaline fix is worth more than whatever plans/hopes/dreams they might have had for their lives.

Methinks you need to remember Uncle Ben... "With great power comes great responsibility."

EDIT: Wanna really make your butthole pucker? Drop your insurance.

Go back and read what i said on the things i think about before "street racing". Maybe you will agree with me then. No, i dont race in populated areas with sidewalks, again, that sounds stupid and lacks any sort of common sense/judgement.

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Shoot out? Wtf do you live in Syria? Shoot outs are RARE. HOw many shootouts have you been in? I was in the Marines and I never seen a shootout. Training drills yes, and actual firefight no...

Yes street racing is bad and illegal due to the fact that you can get innocent people killed very easily.

Ohhhh man. Just nvm. You have way to much time on your hands lol i cant keep up sorry you win!

Ill just leave this here for you guys though.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

Ohhhh man. Just nvm. You have way to much time on your hands lol i cant keep up sorry you win!

Ill just leave this here for you guys though.

lol I can do this all day long at work and be paid for it. The fact you keep responding means your time isn't all that valuable.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

False, one article doesn't prove anything in terms of the nation as a whole.

A few of my friends are cops and firefighters and they would disagree with you. It's all fun and games till your mangled body is getting cut out of the car or you flew through the window and and need to get scraped of the road.

[Haywood]

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[fravel]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

Go back and read what i said on the things i think about before "street racing". Maybe you will agree with me then. No, i dont race in populated areas with sidewalks, again, that sounds stupid and lacks any sort of common sense/judgement.

No, I won't agree with you. There's no scenario in which street racing is appropriate, period.

Here's my real issue - anything than can be enjoyed can also be abused. It falls to the true enthusiasts of whatever that thing is to self-regulate themselves and promote a positive image around that thing. For example, I play a lot of paintball and we go out of our way to discourage kids from doing stupid things with paintball guns. Not just because someone could get hurt, but because we know that if too many people get hurt the thing we love could very well go away.

It's no different with cars. As they get more and more powerful and video cameras are now everywhere, there's a real chance that some overzealous politician could get uppity and try to ruin it for all of us. Stop helping them.

[RunFlatOut]

This was the European debut of the Mustang at Goodwood Festival of Speed. Tell me you have ever seen a more relieved driver at the end of the lap. IIRC it's Ben Collins at the wheel, aka the Stig. This car is great, if you don't mind the fact it tries to kill everyone aboard and outside every time you accelerate.

[UncleWede]

I backed into a slot next to a newer Mustang last week. Didn't see anyone else in the parking lot, and I thought the Mustang was parked pretty much straight.

I swear, when I came out, the front end was pointed more towards me than straight. It wasn't even moving and it was pulling towards "the crowd" of one person (me)

[dzvero]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

OP, I'm highly against people saying anything along the lines of "street racing is bad, don't do it" . Kind of like the whole fire arms argument. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. More specifically while drag racing, bad judgement kills people. When behind the wheel of not only high HP cars, but any car in general while racing or not, you must make a basic judgment call before initiating any kind of race (I do this all the time). Few main questions to ask yourself: Are there any driveways OR intersections coming up within the next 1/4 mile or so? How about sidewalks/pedestrians? And last but not least, how many cars are ahead/behind you within the next 1320 ft or so. This is a simple check off list anyone can stand by and IMO greatly reduce the chance of problems that might occur. Street racing doesn't kill per say, its more so the people who lack self control, good judgement, and over estimate their limits while driving. The government likes to brainwash everyone and say its like the worst thing in the world but I would never agree to such non sense. Some people cant handle it and this is what ruins it for everyone else.

You are just one of these ASSHOLES

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by fravel

No, I won't agree with you. There's no scenario in which street racing is appropriate, period.

Here's my real issue - anything than can be enjoyed can also be abused. It falls to the true enthusiasts of whatever that thing is to self-regulate themselves and promote a positive image around that thing. For example, I play a lot of paintball and we go out of our way to discourage kids from doing stupid things with paintball guns. Not just because someone could get hurt, but because we know that if too many people get hurt the thing we love could very well go away.

It's no different with cars. As they get more and more powerful and video cameras are now everywhere, there's a real chance that some overzealous politician could get uppity and try to ruin it for all of us. Stop helping them.

Fair enough. We agree to disagree. They already banned street racing and any modifications to your car so it really cant be taken away if there is nothing there to take. Your point sounds irrelevant to me. You cant compare a paintball hobby to vehicle's that people need to get from point A to B.