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      01-09-2019, 08:42 AM   #45
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https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...BIB%202019.pdf

Page 3 of the doc indicates DHS requesting 1.6 Billion for the border. I see at the beginning of this document that this is their budget request and not what they were given. I'm interested in any other #'s people here know of, but this seems to be... I'd say "accurate".

If this is the case, the answer seems simple. No 5 billion for any wall. If DHS is requesting 1.6, and for specific things, then let's give it to them. Then shut up and move on.
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San Diego resident checking in, no border concerns here. Those long lines waiting to get into the U.S. are filled with scary surfer dudes coming back from baja with 10 boards on top of their 95' Isuzu Trooper and hungry U.S. peeps who make a day trip to Puerto Nuevo for yummy lobster. Not to mention the thousands of Tijuana residents who cross the border daily to commute to their careers in the U.S., some of whom I work with.

Lets spend the dough beefing up the U.S. Coast Guard, current border entries, increase technology and resources to locate smuggling tunnels and repair the fence that already exists as needed.

The "Wall" is publicity stunt, nothing more. Amazing how many fall for this fear tactic...
First, the American voters and the Border Patrol disagree with you. But hey it sounds like you have it all figured out. Perhaps you should run for office if you really think everyone agrees with you.
How easily we forget! The majority of voters did not vote for Donald Trump.
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How easily we forget! The majority of voters did not vote for Donald Trump.
They did if you weed out the illegal votes.
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How easily we forget! The majority of voters did not vote for Donald Trump.
They did if you weed out the illegal votes.
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Call the topic divided if you will, but to categorize this as a fabrication or delusion by POTUS is just not an accurate read on the feelings of American voters.

https://morningconsult.com/2019/01/0...at-the-border/

Plurality of Voters Think There's a Crisis at the Border

a new Morning Consult/Politico survey shows a lion's share of voters agree with him that the United States is facing a crisis over illegal immigration.

According to the poll, conducted Jan. 4-6 among 1,989 registered voters, a 42-percent plurality think there is an illegal immigration crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border,

Another 37 percent of voters said there's a problem but not a crisis, and 12 percent said there's neither a problem nor a crisis.

72 percent of Republicans said there's a crisis of illegal immigration, more than three times the share of Democrats (19 percent) who agreed. But Democrats are not writing off the issue entirely: More than half (52 percent) said there is a problem with illegal immigration across the U.S.-Mexico border.

Overall, voters were split when asked whether they support or oppose construction of a border wall along the southern U.S. border. Forty-seven percent ó including 80 percent of Democrats ó said they oppose building a wall, compared with 44 percent ó including 83 percent of Republicans ó who support it.


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Most American's do not live on the border therefore they getting their information from a untruthful President and fake news. The unfortunate truth is fear works and our current leadership knows how to work the angle.
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It’s common knowledge...
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How easily we forget! The majority of voters did not vote for Donald Trump.
https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1571855
Thank God for the electoral college.......in 2000 & 2004. George W did it a different way though. He never crowed about having any kind of a mandate. His supporters (I was one of them) never claimed millions of illegal aliens voted for Gore.

I still can't get over how anyone voted for Trump in the primaries. They should be hanging their heads in shame right now. But they're not smart enough to know that. What ignoramuses!!!!
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How easily we forget! The majority of voters did not vote for Donald Trump.
They did if you weed out the illegal votes.
"Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud"

https://www.apnews.com/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d

What investigation can you site that proved otherwise when Trumps own proves your statement is wrong?
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It's common knowledge...
To those who are misinformed?
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To those who are misinformed?
Everybody knows?
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"Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud"

https://www.apnews.com/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d

What investigation can you site that proved otherwise when Trumps own proves your statement is wrong?
but, but......everybody knows........
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To those who are misinformed?
The second Trump hater who is in every thread. At least you live in America unlike others. But my remarks are the same, go get a life instead of hating on every single action the guys does. Frankly it is just outrageous. I am not a Trump fanboy nor do I care about the guy. I just find it pathetic that someone dedicates so much time to be so petty about the guy on a forum, which I assume the majority have strong and fixed standing on their political views.

Saying the guy did this or that wrong is fine, but stirring crap and fallacies on every single action is just ridiculous.
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The second Trump hater who is in every thread. At least you live in America unlike others. But my remarks are the same, go get a life instead of hating on every single action the guys does. Frankly it is just outrageous. I am not a Trump fanboy nor do I care about the guy. I just find it pathetic that someone dedicates so much time to be so petty about the guy on a forum, which I assume the majority have strong and fixed standing on their political views.

Saying the guy did this or that wrong is fine, but stirring crap and fallacies on every single action is just ridiculous.
prooooobably the wrong section of the forum for you....

BTW when you say "stirring crap and fallacies" do you mean like the one a couple posts above about wide spread illegal voting?

Let me ask you a question. What logic dictates that only someone from the US can have an opinion about the POTUS when the POTUS creates policies that effect the entire world?

Seems pretty narrow minded if you ask me.
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1. The second Trump hater who is in every thread.

Saying the guy did this or that wrong is fine, but stirring crap and 2.fallacies on every single action is just ridiculous.
1. Not a Trump hater here. Simply a patriot. You should be too. If you read before you typed, you'd know I have said a few positive things about Trump policies in the "hit or miss" thread.
2. My fallacies are?
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LOL. What exactly is an "illegal vote"?
? It’s a vote counted from a person not legally entitled to vote... C’mon, you know that goes on in sanctuary cities in CA and in CA period. They let their dogs vote out there, lol...
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? Itís a vote counted from a person not legally entitled to vote... Címon, you know that goes on in sanctuary cities in CA and in CA period. They let their dogs vote out there, lol...
Showed you my source proving your statement is wrong. Still waiting on yours...
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Showed you my source proving your statement is wrong. Still waiting on yours...
Captain Google is now furiously searching for sources other than Bratbart or Zerohedge that will support his view.....
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Showed you my source proving your statement is wrong. Still waiting on yours...
Your source proved nothing. It’s like saying I couldn’t find the car keys I dropped so that proves there weren’t any car keys.
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Captain Google is now furiously searching for sources other than Bratbart or Zerohedge that will support his view.....
Heh... not really. It’s not worth the effort on this particular subject. There’s no way to prove or disprove either side, plus I’ve learned long ago that there is no way to “prove” anything to someone who has their fact deflector shield up... like you guys do.
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Your source proved nothing. Itís like saying I couldnít find the car keys I dropped so that proves there werenít any car keys.
But was there a cat?

The whole speech thing and our arguments and back and forth are all entertaining and somewhat stimulating, but in the end, the speech did nothing. A real waste of time.
I'm bummed that that NASA can't work on getting the various crewed capsules certified so we can stop relying on the damnable Russians to but our people in space. I saw a pic this morning of the Dragon capsule being fitted on top of a Falcon. That would be very exciting on most days.
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? Itís a vote counted from a person not legally entitled to vote... Címon, you know that goes on in sanctuary cities in CA and in CA period. They let their dogs vote out there, lol...
Look, I think we all know that numerous illegal aliens probably voted in the last election and probably voted in elections prior as well. To say that there were enough to have swung the election one way or the other, or to say that the votes Hillary got over Trump were nearly all attributed to illegal aliens voting for Hillary is hyperbole and borderline nut-job conspiracy theory nonsense.

Researchers from Old Dominion University and George Mason University analyzed 2016 participation rates by non-citizens using data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Studies. With this data, the researchers estimated that roughly 320,000 non-citizens were registered to vote prior to the 2016 election. Even assuming that nearly 3 out of 4 voted for Hillary (or even voted at all), that would still only total a couple hundred thousand.

A problem, for sure, and a problem that certainly should be addressed through proper photo style voter ID cards, but hardly the issue you are saying it is.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfac...oted-midterm-/

https://cis.org/Huennekens/Aliens-and-Voter-Fraud

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciar...illegal-voting


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