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      11-19-2019, 07:32 PM   #2487
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Significant savings at the pump and overall a better commuter for me.
Just allows you to drive the m3 when you want to drive. Tool around in the i3 for cheap and keep the m3 nice.

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Yeah Id be pretty ok with a Tesla pickup for commuting and beach trips and snowboarding or whatever and then being able to pickup an M2 or something for pure driving fun days when I just want to hit the roads to a destination lunch or something.
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Given all the talks, didn't Tesla begin building a giga factory in germany? Not something to do when you're about going under. Tesla is like a cat with multiple lives.

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      11-21-2019, 09:57 PM   #2490
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Its really simple. BMW is the past. Tesla is the future. A king has rein, then he dies.

I love BMW, but they really lost their grip during Harald Kruger's time at the helm. Now that BMW has squandered their lead in electrification after a great start with the i8 and i3, which gave Tesla enough time has step in with their 3 series killer, the Model 3. I'm not sure how BMW will compete in this space as more and more loyal BMW owners move on. There are so many BMW converts over on the Tesla Motors forum. Even some familiar faces from bimmerpost.

This year will be the first time in over 20 years that I will be purchasing something other than a BMW. Although I'm gonna hang onto my F80 and E46 M3, these may be the last BMWs I'll buy for awhile. Just recently I placed an order for a 2020 Model 3 LR AWD Performance sleeper that will run neck and with the new M8 Gran Coupe doing 0-60 in 3 secs flat for 1/3 the price and 95% less maintenance. BMW has nothing that is comparatively quick remotely in this price range so it's time to move on. The future awaits.
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Can Tesla play the long game?

Not sure Elon even cares about Tesla that much now. Disrupters like him are easily bored. Next up? Dominate space and go to Mars. Who cares about cars? Hes accomplished what he wanted - shake up the auto industry - done. Long term can they compete on cost and production scale? Interesting product with impressive performance, but comparing to BMW? Not sure...
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I think Elon Musk got some rich sugar daddy. How else would you explain it? Long Live Tesla.
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      11-21-2019, 11:19 PM   #2493
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I think Elon himself is his own rich sugar daddy
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      11-22-2019, 12:42 AM   #2496
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Not sure Elon even cares about Tesla that much now. Disrupters like him are easily bored. Next up? Dominate space and go to Mars. Who cares about cars? Hes accomplished what he wanted - shake up the auto industry - done. Long term can they compete on cost and production scale? Interesting product with impressive performance, but comparing to BMW? Not sure...
While you were writing this, Musk was presenting the pickup truck, which is ugly as sin but has some absurd specs. And he was definitely not bored there.

But he does have a separate company for boring stuff.
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While you were writing this, Musk was presenting the pickup truck, which is ugly as sin but has some absurd specs. And he was definitely not bored there.

But he does have a separate company for boring stuff.
Like shatterproof glass? Just kidding. I dont think he is bored with Tesla, they just keep growing and putting out different products.
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Its really simple. BMW is the past. Tesla is the future. A king has rein, then he dies.

I love BMW, but they really lost their grip during Harald Kruger's time at the helm. Now that BMW has squandered their lead in electrification after a great start with the i8 and i3, which gave Tesla enough time has step in with their 3 series killer, the Model 3. I'm not sure how BMW will compete in this space as more and more loyal BMW owners move on. There are so many BMW converts over on the Tesla Motors forum. Even some familiar faces from bimmerpost.

This year will be the first time in over 20 years that I will be purchasing something other than a BMW. Although I'm gonna hang onto my F80 and E46 M3, these may be the last BMWs I'll buy for awhile. Just recently I placed an order for a 2020 Model 3 LR AWD Performance sleeper that will run neck and with the new M8 Gran Coupe doing 0-60 in 3 secs flat for 1/3 the price and 95% less maintenance. BMW has nothing that is comparatively quick remotely in this price range so it's time to move on. The future awaits.
Sure, sure...

Tesla is a pyramid scheme fueled with tax payers money and tax cuts for their wealthy customers.

A factory that produces random outcomes...

Poor aftersales support and replacement parts nearly non existing in the supply pipeline.

Ridiculous body shop repair times and astronomical bills resulting from even "minor" encounters.

Tesla can only survive when:

The narcissistic/pot head CEO steps down.

When a legacy manufacturer that actually understands how to properly put together a vehicle comes to their rescue and buys them outright.

Golf kart makers are also the future. Anyone can manufacture an electric motor, but few understand or have the experience required to properly build and support a "Luxury" EV with the experience that should
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Tesla is a pyramid scheme fueled with tax payers money and tax cuts for their wealthy customers.
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      11-22-2019, 11:58 AM   #2502
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Nice armor glass on that Fugly as hell cybertruck, which is obviously not designed for actual truck guys...that need a functional truck. Damn they beat that thing hard with the ugly stick. Holy shit.
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Nice armor glass on that Fugly as hell cybertruck, which is obviously not designed for actual truck guys...that need a functional truck. Damn they beat that thing hard with the ugly stick. Holy shit.
It's a sex rocket for hillbillies and rednecks
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It's a sex rocket for hillbillies and rednecks
I had the opposite reaction. It's a goofy, nerdy, fugly "truck" for arugula-chewing, city-dwelling liberals who have never had a speck of dirt under their fingernails, and never will. It's for impressing your goofy cuck soyboi friends in the Whole Foods and Starbucks parking lots.

I can't see an actual redneck, or anyone who actually uses a truck for hauling, towing, working, and/or off roading "truck stuff" ever buying one of these. (I wonder what the range is when towing an 8,000+ lb load? And it's a lot easier to carry a couple of cans of gas in the bed than an extra set of Cybertruck batteries--can you imagine the range anxiety of venturing through Moab in this thing!?) I mean WTF with the angled bed walls? Has Elon never retrieved a tool from the bed of a truck before?

But hey, what do I know. If there is a market for it, then so be it. I'm a live and let live sort of guy. You won't find one of these in my garage though.
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I had the opposite reaction. It's a goofy, nerdy, fugly "truck" for arugula-chewing, city-dwelling liberals who have never had a speck of dirt under their fingernails, and never will. It's for impressing your goofy cuck soyboi friends in the Whole Foods and Starbucks parking lots.

I can't see an actual redneck, or anyone who actually uses a truck for hauling, towing, working, and/or off roading "truck stuff" ever buying one of these. (I wonder what the range is when towing an 8,000+ lb load? And it's a lot easier to carry a couple of cans of gas in the bed than an extra set of Cybertruck batteries--can you imagine the range anxiety of venturing through Moab in this thing!?) I mean WTF with the angled bed walls? Has Elon never retrieved a tool from the bed of a truck before?

But hey, what do I know. If there is a market for it, then so be it. I'm a live and let live sort of guy. You won't find one of these in my garage though.
Silicon Valley version of the H2 hummer. Luckily for them, that audience will buy up the limited amount theyll be able to produce.
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But he does have a separate company for boring stuff.
I snickered, but I dont think anyone else caught it.
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Something like this would have been so much better.

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Likely rushed out that shittruck abomination to keep the company plodding along on deposits.
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