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      01-14-2019, 11:22 AM   #309
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Well, I'm still not sure what statements you think I made that I can't support, or if you agree we just can't say what the crime rate of illegals is compared to everyone else. I guess we'll never know. Glad you're not pissed off I guess.

The shutdown and wall didn't even make the main online page of our local paper. Might be in a holding pattern for a while longer.
We can agree that the number is unknown which means it can't be stated to be either higher or lower than the crime rates among the citizenry. That is a fact.

I agree with you that we will be in a holding pattern for a bit longer. I believe the outcome will be Mr. Trump gets the funding pushed through.

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No one will because it will won't be funded. Trump will fail on this.
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This one. You said it wouldn't be funded. Mr. Trump will fail on this.

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This one. You said it wouldn't be funded. Mr. Trump will fail on this.

Will you put your money where your mouth is?
Do you really get into money bets with people on internet forums? I don't.

Trump isn't getting his wall. The majority in this country knows this. Nothing is getting built.
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Do you really get into money bets with people on internet forums? I don't.

Trump isn't getting his wall. The majority in this country knows this. Nothing is getting built.
Thanks. As I thought.
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      01-14-2019, 11:30 AM   #313
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Do you really get into money bets with people on internet forums? I don't.

Trump isn't getting his wall. The majority in this country knows this. Nothing is getting built.
Got a screen shot of this one too.
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      01-14-2019, 11:56 AM   #314
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Do you really get into money bets with people on internet forums? I don't.

Trump isn't getting his wall. The majority in this country knows this. Nothing is getting built.
A better bet would be that Trump will declare a national emergency, the funds to build the wall will come from the DND budget, the wall will be built and it will have little to no impact on the reasons why Trump says the wall is necessary.
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      01-14-2019, 12:01 PM   #315
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A better bet would be that Trump will declare a national emergency, the funds to build the wall will come from the DND budget, the wall will be built and it will have little to no impact on the reasons why Trump says the wall is necessary.
Do you think the wall will be built?
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Do you think the wall will be built?
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No one will because it will won't be funded. Trump will fail on this.
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I'll take this bet.
This one. You said it wouldn't be funded. Mr. Trump will fail on this.

Will you put your money where your mouth is?

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Can I get in on this action?

Trump will get his "wall"
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      01-14-2019, 12:18 PM   #318
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I will give credit where credit is due. You are a realist unlike some of your buddies here.
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      01-14-2019, 12:49 PM   #319
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If Trump calls the matter a national emergency in order to get funding, it will set a terrible precedent. The GOP senate knows this and it will be an utter disaster for them and they know it. They are stuck in a very bad place right now. I firmly believe the GOP senate will do something to block Trump from taking such measures.

I don't know how many times I have to say this though. If the money was somehow appropriated, it would take YEARS before ground is broken. Trump is dumb as a rock, but even he knows the process is lengthy given his prior experience in construction. He'll be long gone before even a tiny portion of this wall could be built, especially in Texas. Thing is, once he's out, the money would be yanked back and the project ended.

When it comes to engineering projects like this, up to date engineering studies have to be done across the entire area. Land has to be acquired. It's a long process, even if it's a national emergency. You can't expedite and compress something like this into even a couple of years. There are so many parts.

Many of you clearly have not worked with the government/military/USACE and have never been an engineering sub to them. I have, A LOT, when I worked for URS Corporation (currently AECOM), working directly with the USAF, AFCEE, and numerous USACE districts. Everything is a long and drawn out process when it comes to contracting, engineering design and review, design and permitting review/approval, land access, etc., etc.

Theoretically, a wall or wall-like structure is a very simple thing. Building it in a area with rocky and steep terrain, moving water, flooding potential, access, property rights concerns, etc. makes a simple things extremely complex and time consuming. Think about how long it's taken the USACE to fix issues in New Orleans since Katrina. They're still not remotely close to done and Katrina happened back in 2005.

I feel like I'm the only realist in here at the moment.
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I will give credit where credit is due. You are a realist unlike some of your buddies here.
As you say I am a realist. The wall was Trump's main election platform and I do believe he will get his way one way or another. It will likely be more of a fence and likely won't be near as long as originally promised.

I think if Trump was able to use better language to communicate the importance of border security rather then sensationalizing what's really going on he would have greater buy in from both sides. The 'great deal maker' asks like a spoiled child...the adults around the table are going have to give in to him to stop the temper tantrum.
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You are the one that sounds "pissed off". What does "Do you have think" mean?
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Poor multitasking. Killing time here while I run tests, must have had one sentence in mind, left, and come back to finish another.
He knows very what you meant. Sak likes playing dumb at times.
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And I posted the above photo about the wall, despite disagreeing with the likely efficiency of the contemplated wall, to try to be fair to both sides.

Putting it in context, if it could actually be done for $5B (I also don't believe it can), comparatively to Canada, especially given the difference in economy, it would really be a drop in the bucket.

So by all means, experiment away...maybe I'll be wrong and it will be a super duper wall, the best wall ever, a yuge one at that and be effective.

I just think they'll find ways around it. Fact is, I'd happily pit myself against any wall that is built to see if I can get over the border (unless you landmine the area, which I'm pretty sure isn't permitted anymore...)
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A wall is a depreciating asset...the pipeline will pay for itself over and over again.
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We haven't even discussed the cost of maintaining and repairing the wall.

That's going to be much, much more than $5b
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A wall is a depreciating asset...the pipeline will pay for itself over and over again.
But a wall will help take a chunk out of illegal immigration which will save us billions in the long run.
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We haven't even discussed the cost of maintaining and repairing the wall.

That's going to be much, much more than $5b
Ok fine we will put the $5 billion towards installing tranny bathrooms in public buildings. This should satisfy you and your SJW buddies.
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But a wall will help take a chunk out of illegal immigration which will save us billions in the long run.
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