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      01-11-2019, 08:48 AM   #177
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I don't care much if the wall gets built or not. If it does, great. If it doesn't, the border has plenty of resources as it is. But does anyone have any idea how it will be paid for? I don't think we should pay for one. I thought there would be a more cohesive plan to make Mexico pay for it.

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I don't care much if the wall gets built or not. If it does, great. If it doesn't, the border has plenty of resources as it is. But does anyone have any idea how it will be paid for? I don't think we should pay for one. I thought there would be a more cohesive plan to make Mexico pay for it.
We have a law here called the Line Fence Act. One of the sections of the act deals with fences between neighbours. In part it's a generally accepted principal that if you're putting a fence up than the cost is shared between neighbours. I guess the idea that good fences make good neighbours.

So perhaps Mexico might want to pay for half given that you'd think they'd like to protect their side of the boarder as well.
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We have a law here called the Line Fence Act. One of the sections of the act deals with fences between neighbours. In part it's a generally accepted principal that if you're putting a fence up than the cost is shared between neighbours. I guess the idea that good fences make good neighbours.

So perhaps Mexico might want to pay for half given that you'd think they'd like to protect their side of the boarder as well.
Indeed this would be a great plan.
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Indeed this would be a great plan.
Having said that, I've put up a lot of fences and the last few I just paid for the whole thing. If you share the cost your neighbour has say in how it's built, what materials etc and I just wanted a fence that I wanted.
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If the wall does not work how is it immoral? This entire thing is such a SHT show. So tired of all the BS. 2020,Trump will be elected again with a good margin in both houses because he represents the entire country even if NY and CA can not accept that. I for one will be very happy if my prediction comes true. Go ahead and draw and quarter me in the square of this forum I don't give a SHT, that is just how I feel accept it and move the FK on.
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I don't care much if the wall gets built or not. If it does, great. If it doesn't, the border has plenty of resources as it is. But does anyone have any idea how it will be paid for? I don't think we should pay for one. I thought there would be a more cohesive plan to make Mexico pay for it.
There is a need for this wall where’s your mind at stuck in the engine bay looking for a 10mm bolt you dropped, come on now this wall is necessary and it’s proven that it works, Trump has said it will be paid indirectly by Mexico still, through the North American trade deal with Mexico
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There is a need for this wall whereís your mind at stuck in the engine bay looking for a 10mm bolt you dropped, come on now this wall is necessary and itís proven that it works, Trump has said it will be paid indirectly by Mexico still, through the North American trade deal with Mexico
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If the wall does not work how is it immoral? This entire thing is such a SHT show. So tired of all the BS. 2020,Trump will be elected again with a good margin in both houses because he represents the entire country even if NY and CA can not accept that. I for one will be very happy if my prediction comes true. Go ahead and draw and quarter me in the square of this forum I don't give a SHT, that is just how I feel accept it and move the FK on.
Yea I feel the same, I had some things I didnít like about Obama and I never complained and never went out of my way to criticize him instead I encouraged him and hoped he would do good for the country so why so many cry babyís mad about trump? Suck it up and accept heís our president and suppourt him heís now in control of our country, just because you donít like trump because of what he has said forget it, he has done good so far and is trying to do good but canít get half of his stuff passed due to people that hate him, I believe because you dislike a person that should have no effect on whether you can pass something and they are not bad things that heís trying to pass itís just that the people dislike trump.
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Yup. I was thinking the same thing. It's as if the libs just discovered that politicians (both sides) lie constantly and never accept blame/fault for anything

You can keep your doctor comes to mind
FWIW, Obama did kind of sort of admit he lied.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...flna8C11555216
I have to give him credit for being man enough to admit he was full of shit
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      01-11-2019, 09:58 AM   #186
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So in 2006 the Democrats, Obama, HRC and Shumer were in favour of a border fence

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/pol...e9O/story.html
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Yea I feel the same, I had some things I didnít like about Obama and I never complained and never went out of my way to criticize him instead I encouraged him and hoped he would do good for the country so why so many cry babyís mad about trump? Suck it up and accept heís our president and suppourt him heís now in control of our country, just because you donít like trump because of what he has said forget it, he has done good so far and is trying to do good but canít get half of his stuff passed due to people that hate him, I believe because you dislike a person that should have no effect on whether you can pass something and they are not bad things that heís trying to pass itís just that the people dislike trump.
From what I understand a large piece of the wall was built by previous administrations, about 700 miles. Trump wants to build the last 200 miles so why is he such a villain for wanting to essentially finish what has already been started and that was supported by Obama, Shumer, HRC and Pelosi?
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2020,Trump will be elected again with a good margin in both houses because he represents the entire country even if NY and CA can not accept that. .
Wow......just ...........wow.........




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Wow......just ...........wow.........

I get that a lot of folks don't think he'll win again, having said that the same folks thought HRC was going to win by a landslide. The more the MSM goes after Trump with such venom the stronger his base gets........
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I get that a lot of folks don't think he'll win again, having said that the same folks thought HRC was going to win by a landslide. The more the MSM goes after Trump with such venom the stronger his base gets........
No.

Plus, my "wow" was about "both houses".
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I have to give him credit for being man enough to admit he was full of shit
Well that is something I guess.
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Here is a link to the same story at a local new station, in order to preempt the inevitable comments about your source not being valid....




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I have to give him credit for being man enough to admit he was full of shit
I don't. It doesn't mean a damn thing if you don't go and attempt to correct it.

He basically said "Yeah, ya know - I realize now that I totally lied about Obamacare. Sucks to be you! Enjoy what ya got!"

I would have respect for him if he said "Yeah, I lied about it. I see that now. What can I do to correct the problem?" As it sits, I don't see his statement as any different than refusing to admit he lied.

He isn't manning up, he's just being a dick.
Ohh yes he's a giant dickhead for sure.

My point to Minn was that he at least stated he fucked up. That's rare in politics these days.

I'm no Obama fan. People like to predict that Trump will go down as one of the worst presidents in history. Not a chance. Obama was a terrible CIC that weakened us domestically and abroad.

Here is something I find amusing

Obama - nice enough guy, likable, shitty president, Terrible policies, overall disaster for America, regressive (haha)

Trump - Asshole, Dislikable in every way, policies will likely help America/AMERICANS in the future.

The amusing part is people choose based on the guy that they would rather have a beer with instead of the guy that over the LONG haul will be better for the county/CITIZENS.

Mind boggling
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Ohh yes he's a giant dickhead for sure.

My point to Minn was that he at least stated he fucked up. That's rare in politics these days.

I'm no Obama fan. People like to predict that Trump will go down as one of the worst presidents in history. Not a chance. Obama was a terrible CIC that weakened us domestically and abroad.

Here is something I find amusing

Obama - nice enough guy, likable, shitty president, Terrible policies, overall disaster for America, regressive (haha)

Trump - Asshole, Dislikable in every way, policies will likely help America/AMERICANS in the future.

The amusing part is people choose based on the guy that they would rather have a beer with instead of the guy that over the LONG haul will be better for the county/CITIZENS.

Mind boggling
I have this discussion with my liberal friends all the time. I don't care if I like the leader, I don't particularly like Trump FTR. I just think leaders should do their job, the job that they have as a result of their mandate. Trudeau is an empty suit, he is probably a good dinner host and probably pleasant enough, but that isn't his mandate.
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The equivalency is a fallacy. Obama believed what he said. He was not making it up as he went along. Trump takes lying to a completely different level. He knows he's not telling the truth. There can be no argument with that. The only two previous presidents since 1900 that were pathological liars were Clinton and Nixon. But they were minor-leaguers compared to trump.
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FWIW, Obama did kind of sort of admit he lied.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...flna8C11555216
I'm going to step in here as an insider. They knew this from the beginning. The potential for negative fallout was a part of the political calculus and deemed acceptable. This was a calculated risk. I was in the meetings when this was first discussed in early 2009 both in DC and in San Diego when it was rolled out to the managed care community by an administration undersecretary. We were all aghast and incredulous.
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Ohh yes he's a giant dickhead for sure.

My point to Minn was that he at least stated he fucked up. That's rare in politics these days.

I'm no Obama fan. People like to predict that Trump will go down as one of the worst presidents in history. Not a chance. Obama was a terrible CIC that weakened us domestically and abroad.

Here is something I find amusing

Obama - nice enough guy, likable, shitty president, Terrible policies, overall disaster for America, regressive (haha)

Trump - Asshole, Dislikable in every way, policies will likely help America/AMERICANS in the future.

The amusing part is people choose based on the guy that they would rather have a beer with instead of the guy that over the LONG haul will be better for the county/CITIZENS.

Mind boggling
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Here is a link to the same story at a local new station, in order to preempt the inevitable comments about your source not being valid....

https://www.kusi.com/cnn-requests-ku...ut-wall-works/
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