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      11-18-2020, 03:46 PM   #221
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Lol such BS...Mercedes offered to let Verstappen drive their car...its Verstappen who is too frightened to turn up for a drive, knowing full well he would be slower.
Pointing out *again* that Verstappen has no say in who gets to drive a Red Bull just as Hamilton can't say who gets to drive a Mercedes.
Negative mate !
Horner and Marko agreed with the challenge . But HAM and Toto didn't ...
Toto said : MAX just call (ring) us , and you can drive a Merc . But that wasn't the challenge ..
Merc just twisted the words , because they didn't spoke to swap the cars like MAX requested in the challenge !

They would never put HAM's market value and reputation at risk mate .
As I said in one word ....Lulu is "Chicken" !
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been few days since its posted but i ve just watched it.. a great talk..

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Thank you YCO -
A great interview with HAM and great insight into his life, motivation, direction, determination, deep desire to learn and heart for those less fortunate than him.
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Merc just twisted the words , because they didn't spoke to swap the cars like MAX requested in the challenge !
A fair challenge is...drive the same car...and see who is fastest.
Merc have offered Verstappen a chance to drive a Mercedes.
Red Bull should match the offer and bring their car to a shootout.
Both drivers drive both cars and see who comes out ahead.
Anyone with half a brain knows its never going to happen but it would be fun to see.

Max just driving a Merc and Hamilton just driving a RB makes zero sense as there is no benchmark time to compare.


For reference the actual transcript of the press conference:

"Q: ... the Red Bull is faster in race pace than in qualifying pace and much closer to the Mercedes cars. Do you think, after the changes in the regulations that weíve had a few weeks ago, that itís still the same and youíre closer in race pace than in qualifying pace?

MV: I guess weíll only find out if we swap cars once, both drivers, and then we can compare but I donít know. I donít think a lot has changed to be honest before the rule change and now, so no, thatís just a bit of a guess but I think you can clearly see that it hasnít brought us a lot closer or further away. Before the rule changeÖ

LH: What do we need to swap for?

MV: We swap cars. You go into mine, I go into yours then we know the comparison.

LH: Of what?

MV: Of the difference between the cars if they actually have become faster in the race compared to qualifying. I donít know. Maybe we can do like a private test day or something."


So not even a challenge but a way to clear up if the cars become faster in race pace than qualifying pace after the rule change.

Anyway keep at it...I'm sure this particular dead horse can still take plenty more flogging.
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This should settle the question once and for all...

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A fair challenge is...drive the same car...and see who is fastest.
Merc have offered Verstappen a chance to drive a Mercedes.
Red Bull should match the offer and bring their car to a shootout.
Both drivers drive both cars and see who comes out ahead.
Anyone with half a brain knows its never going to happen but it would be fun to see.

Max just driving a Merc and Hamilton just driving a RB makes zero sense as there is no benchmark time to compare.


For reference the actual transcript of the press conference:

"Q: ... the Red Bull is faster in race pace than in qualifying pace and much closer to the Mercedes cars. Do you think, after the changes in the regulations that weíve had a few weeks ago, that itís still the same and youíre closer in race pace than in qualifying pace?

MV: I guess weíll only find out if we swap cars once, both drivers, and then we can compare but I donít know. I donít think a lot has changed to be honest before the rule change and now, so no, thatís just a bit of a guess but I think you can clearly see that it hasnít brought us a lot closer or further away. Before the rule changeÖ

LH: What do we need to swap for?

MV: We swap cars. You go into mine, I go into yours then we know the comparison.

LH: Of what?

MV: Of the difference between the cars if they actually have become faster in the race compared to qualifying. I donít know. Maybe we can do like a private test day or something."


So not even a challenge but a way to clear up if the cars become faster in race pace than qualifying pace after the rule change.

Anyway keep at it...I'm sure this particular dead horse can still take plenty more flogging.
Negative mate .They should "NOT" drive the same car ! No way mate !
This would hide how much the Merc is faster than de RB16 ...

You shouldn't throw sand in our eyes . We are not idiots !
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Negative mate .They should "NOT" drive the same car ! No way mate !
This would hide how much the Merc is faster than de RB16 ...
Que?
How can you decide who is the fastest if not by both drivers setting a time in the same car.
Mercedes and Hamilton have offered a car for Verstappen to drive to see who can set the fastest time..
They are just waiting for Verstappen and RB to do the same.
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Que?
How can you decide who is the fastest if not by both drivers setting a time in the same car.
Mercedes and Hamilton have offered a car for Verstappen to drive to see who can set the fastest time..
They are just waiting for Verstappen and RB to do the same.
MAX in the MERC , in car number 44 (W11 latest 2020 setup version)
HAM in the RB16 , in car number 33 (RB16 latest 2020 setup version)

And let them run qualifying tests at 4 different tracks and on one track in the wet .
Store all data in database regarding the lap times .

It's not the car ? It's really the driver! Right Mate ?
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MAX in the MERC , in car number 44 (W11 latest 2020 setup version)
HAM in the RB16 , in car number 33 (RB16 latest 2020 setup version)
And let them run qualifying tests at 4 different tracks and on one track in the wet .
Store all data in database regarding the lap times .
It's not the car ? It's really the driver! Right Mate ?
OMG its like you have no understanding of F1
What are you expecting?
That the times that Verstappen set in the Merc would tell you something of value?
That the times Hamilton set in the RB would tell you something of value?

The lap time that an F1 car can set at any track is absolutely dependant on a host of variables.

The only way for a fairly decent comparison is...Head to head in the same car, at the same track, with the same tyres, with the same set up, at the same ambient temp, at the same track surface temp, etc etc etc...alternating between drivers to eliminate all variables.
Then the fastest laps will show who is fastest over a single lap.
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OMG its like you have no understanding of F1
What are you expecting?
That the times that Verstappen set in the Merc would tell you something of value?
That the times Hamilton set in the RB would tell you something of value?

The lap time that an F1 car can set at any track is absolutely dependant on a host of variables.

The only way for a fairly decent comparison is...Head to head in the same car, at the same track, with the same tyres, with the same set up, at the same ambient temp, at the same track surface temp, etc etc etc...alternating between drivers to eliminate all variables.
Then the fastest laps will show who is fastest over a single lap.
Mate that's what I'm thinking of you !
Are you serious ?

It's pretty simple as I said the latest setting that is used in the last race should be remained !!!
No one may touch the cars anymore after the last driven race , and the cars should be in 24/7 surveillance by outsiders only
Because the teams can mess it up for the other driver . Yes they can screw the other driver ! Easily !
I wouldn't trust the other team ! Yeah mate, we/I don't believe in Santa Claus ...

1- If HAM is faster in the RB16 , he's the best driver and is the GOAT for sure !

2- If MAX is faster in the W11 , by this he beats the GOAT and MAX is NOW the best driver !

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Mate that's what I'm thinking of you !
Are you serious ?

It's pretty simple as I said the latest setting that is used in the last race should be remained !!!
No one may touch the cars anymore after the last driven race , and the cars should be in 24/7 surveillance by outsiders only
Because the teams can mess it up for the other driver . Yes they can screw the other driver ! Easily !
I wouldn't trust the other team ! Yeah mate, we/I don't believe in Santa Claus ...

1- If HAM is faster in the RB16 , he's the best driver and is the GOAT for sure !

2- If MAX is faster in the W11 , by this he beats the GOAT and MAX is NOW the best driver !

AMEN !
Here is the real test (completely insane, but would provide real results)
Ham and Ver race 10 lap races at 5 different F1 circuits in 5 different F1 cars that are not Merc or RB cars. Then we will see the true results
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Here is the real test (completely insane, but would provide real results)
Ham and Ver race 10 lap races at 5 different F1 circuits in 5 different F1 cars that are not Merc or RB cars. Then we will see the true results
Mate I provide ALWAYS real results !

It's not good without the MERC W11 . That wouldn't provide us the date how fast MAX can be in the MERC !
The whole process should be followed up by bailiff's . Because some people can use some magic regarding the lap times !

Negative . It's NOT insane . We just want the real facts .

After the challenge tests , they should throw all the data online open on the Internet !
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Mate that's what I'm thinking of you !
Are you serious ?

It's pretty simple as I said the latest setting that is used in the last race should be remained !!!
No one may touch the cars anymore after the last driven race , and the cars should be in 24/7 surveillance by outsiders only
Because the teams can mess it up for the other driver . Yes they can screw the other driver ! Easily !
I wouldn't trust the other team ! Yeah mate, we/I don't believe in Santa Claus ...

1- If HAM is faster in the RB16 , he's the best driver and is the GOAT for sure !

2- If MAX is faster in the W11 , by this he beats the GOAT and MAX is NOW the best driver !

AMEN !

Seems like we are talking at cross purposes but whatever.
Anyway, Mercedes have offered the opportunity for Verstappen and Hamilton to drive a Mercedes any time Verstappen wants...just waiting for Verstappen to choose a date one assumes...and to bring along a Red Bull.
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Here is the real test (completely insane, but would provide real results)
Ham and Ver race 10 lap races at 5 different F1 circuits in 5 different F1 cars that are not Merc or RB cars. Then we will see the true results
NEWSFLASH:
The results are in between F1 pilots HAM and VER:

The most F1 wins:
HAM: 94
VER: 9

The most F1 championships:
HAM: 7
VER: 0
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HAM may be a great driver, but as a person....
Can you believe this?!?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ton-brand.html

He actually tried for 3 years to sue the Hamilton watch company (has been around for more than a century) because he think's he's more entitled to the name....
Jeez what an idiot....
Luckily he lost (I say this as a watch guy )
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HAM may be a great driver, but as a person....
Can you believe this?!?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ton-brand.html

He actually tried for 3 years to sue the Hamilton watch company (has been around for more than a century) because he think's he's more entitled to the name....
Jeez what an idiot....
Luckily he lost (I say this as a watch guy )
Firstly its the Daily Mail...its the racist rag you use, should you run out of toilet paper....and it seems they have turned the story around in order to Mock Hamilton.
It was Hamilton International who were opposing the application to trademark the name 'Lewis Hamilton' for a number of goods including watches, smartwatches and jewellery and 44IP were trying to get that overturned.

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It was Hamilton International who were opposing the application to trademark the name 'Lewis Hamilton' for a number of goods including watches, smartwatches and jewellery and 44IP were trying to get that overturned.
source?

https://tv6.news/f1-hamilton-wanted-...e-watch-brand/
https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/3...-name-hamilton
https://www.racefans.net/2020/11/20/...g-his-surname/

and this page confirms the application of Hamilton to the watch company, and that there was an opposition procedure and not the other way around (they don't publish the name details from the opposition though, just some case numbers)
https://www.trademarkelite.com/europ...80754/HAMILTON
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Seems like we are talking at cross purposes but whatever.
Anyway, Mercedes have offered the opportunity for Verstappen and Hamilton to drive a Mercedes any time Verstappen wants...just waiting for Verstappen to choose a date one assumes...and to bring along a Red Bull.
Really ? Would love to see your source ?
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Really ? Would love to see your source ?
Start with Mercedes twitter feed..plus just about every media outlet
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source?

https://tv6.news/f1-hamilton-wanted-...e-watch-brand/
https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/3...-name-hamilton
https://www.racefans.net/2020/11/20/...g-his-surname/

and this page confirms the application of Hamilton to the watch company, and that there was an opposition procedure and not the other way around (they don't publish the name details from the opposition though, just some case numbers)
https://www.trademarkelite.com/europ...80754/HAMILTON
IIUC its as I said....The company that handles LHs merchandising wanted to register Lewis Hamilton as a brand but were thwarted by the watch makers trademark. This was challenged.
Most every media story is just a rehash of the Daily Mail hatched job.
Anyway I doubt LH is bothered given his 1/2 $billion bank account.
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