[Pictor]

I’m only upset about plug and charge. Isn’t that available in the EU. I suspected I would miss out on some of these by changing my order from a 2024 to a 2023 but it still feels like a letdown for the lack of support for ISO15118.

[Moridin]

Probably a Hugo question.

How hard is it to swap out the head unit on the iX? Curious that even if BMW were to allow you to put in the new unit how much labor it would take. Is it somewhere relatively accessible, or do you need to disassemble half of the console?

[hugo_nz]

Originally Posted by Moridin

Probably a Hugo question.

How hard is it to swap out the head unit on the iX? Curious that even if BMW were to allow you to put in the new unit how much labor it would take. Is it somewhere relatively accessible, or do you need to disassemble half of the console?

Its super easy. Its mounted in the driver footwell and requires very few steps to remove.

[Fast400]

I actually don't care either. This is pretty typical of BMW. They advance quicker than it takes current owners to learn the options in their car. There's always gonna be a NBT....just don't bite.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by grueber

Tesla's ability to "magically update" software has been vastly inflated IMO.

This.



A lot of their feature updates are the result of making up for selling half baked products. For instance, they recently added being able to control calls via the steering wheel buttons/scroll wheel. A feature that I had a literal decade ago in my 335 and was likely available in many cars way before that too. As I have mentioned in other posts, there have been a few exceptions to that, like the beloved dog mode, but that is not the type of thing a typical update brings to their cars.

I get that some folks wouldn't mind getting their infotainment UI constantly updated but I feel that the actual typical customer (not what our group here represents) doesn't want or need any of that. My wife would be very annoyed if i updated the car and now the UI went from idrive8 to 8.5.

[falconey]

Didn't they raise prices for 24? And I'm pretty sure idrive 9 is coming in a year or 2, no? Nothing in that list upsets me....my iX as is, simply put is amazing

[venom21]

Yeah it sucks to not get the updates, but a like for like 2024 is almost $14000 more expensive than my 2022 without including sales tax or the new Canadian Luxury tax for vehicles over $100K

[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by ggalanis

I get that some folks wouldn't mind getting their infotainment UI constantly updated but I feel that the actual typical customer (not what our group here represents) doesn't want or need any of that. My wife would be very annoyed if i updated the car and now the UI went from idrive8 to 8.5.

I get the impression the typical customer of the iX is either a former or current Tesla owner, a previous BMW owner, or both.

Previous BMW owners may consider their software/UI policy to be par for the course. But many previous or current Tesla owners have learned to expect ongoing feature enhancements.

Many of us here are disappointed we're not ever going to get Highway Assist on our 22-23 iX. Other's think it's perfectly reasonable. Personally, I give 50:50 odds that Tesla pushes out a Highway Assist equivalent for its HW3 vehicles (2020+) within a year.

[moesess34]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

I get the impression the typical customer of the iX is either a former or current Tesla owner, a previous BMW owner, or both.

Previous BMW owners may consider their software/UI policy to be par for the course. But many previous or current Tesla owners have learned to expect ongoing feature enhancements.

Many of us here are disappointed we're not ever going to get Highway Assist on our 22-23 iX. Other's think it's perfectly reasonable. Personally, I give 50:50 odds that Tesla pushes out a Highway Assist equivalent for its HW3 vehicles (2020+) within a year.

I think the frustration is that people were lead to believe there would be a upgrade path. I know they make money selling new cars each year. But, brand loyalty is a thing as well. Us on this board are a different breed. But, we also are some of the people who can prop of a niche car like the ix’s popularity. Once someone comes out with new car that more compelling than my IX I would consider it. For now, it’s the only car I would really consider. I considered the Rivian R1s but, I don’t think it’s as nice as our cars.

I hated my Tesla, even had a rental one last week 👎🏾👎🏾. But, they have in the past offered hardware upgrades for a price.

I think down the line carmakers should look into some of the good stuff like that Tesla has done. And ignore the other stuff like panel gaps and falling off plastic 🤣

[frank70]

I must be getting old because i really do not understand all the critics here like 'this will be my last BMW' only because their car will not get a certain software update. You buy a car as it is and do not have a right for continuous updates in my opinion. If your car has a defect BMW should repair it under warranty, but you do not have the right for continuous improvements. Only Tesla is the one that regulary updates software and gives you new functions for free. If that is important to you, you know what brand you should buy next time......

I am really glad though that my iX M60 will be a car produced after 3/23 as i am still waiting for it and will not get it for another couple of months. A nice new version that will get all the newest updates. Hahahaha...

[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by frank70

I must be getting old because i really do not understand all the critics here like 'this will be my last BMW' only because their car will not get a certain software update. You buy a car as it is and do not have a right for continuous updates in my opinion. If your car has a defect BMW should repair it under warranty, but you do not have the right for continuous improvements. Only Tesla is the one that regulary updates software and gives you new functions for free. If that is important to you, you know what brand you should buy next time......

BMW markets their software updates.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...de?language=en

You're correct, there's no right to getting a specific update, unless the specific marketing material for your year and model states it. But they've set the expectation for continuous improvements, and by basically declaring that our 2023 models are not going to get the new *software* feature updates being released in the same calendar year is absolutely a slap in the face for customers who made purchase decisions in part due to the marketing promises.

[Louis_BE]

I’m older and I had / have both Tesla and BMW’s … the world has changed and by today standards you update and keep a car at least 5 years up to date from a software perspective, if you did not for see that, you are still living in a legacy time. iX was positioned as a dedicated platform, and with that comes modern expectations. If BMW owners (and I have owned BMW’s for 30 years) do find it normal that they are left behind fine, but I do not. I’m even willing to spend a reasonable amount to update the processing power, but even that is not on the table. Anyway luckily 90% of the people out there do not know and I can sell my iX 50 full option at a good price and switch to a brand that has not that nasty habit.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

Many of us here are disappointed we're not ever going to get Highway Assist on our 22-23 iX.

I agree that many of us here on the forum think like this. But one of my points was that we here on the forums do not represent the typical buyers. We represent the obsessive ones. Perhaps we are a bigger proportion for the iX than say the 3 series, but I still think we are a tiny minority. The typical buyer doesn't know there is a difference between the 2023 and 2024 model cruise control systems, that iDrive 8.5 is coming to the 2024 models, that there is a different head unit, etc. IMHO.

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by ggalanis

I agree that many of us here on the forum think like this. But one of my points was that we here on the forums do not represent the typical buyers. We represent the obsessive ones. Perhaps we are a bigger proportion for the iX than say the 3 series, but I still think we are a tiny minority. The typical buyer doesn't know there is a difference between the 2023 and 2024 model cruise control systems, that iDrive 8.5 is coming to the 2024 models, that there is a different head unit, etc. IMHO.

100% agree. An argument can be made that anyone with an account on this forum has to be somewhat obsessive or well on their way!

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

Previous BMW owners may consider their software/UI policy to be par for the course. But many previous or current Tesla owners have learned to expect ongoing feature enhancements.

The reality distortion field is strong with some. I can go back to 2013 and recall "FSD will be supported in current hardware and enabled by a future software update" and I also remember "novel" features being released via software update for features that BMW has had as either standard or optional 20 years prior. Besides fart mode I haven't seen many features released that were promised that I would consider compelling except for many pet mode. I still cannot get a T car with HUD or surround view cameras and 10 years later there is still talk about FSD being right around the corner.

I'm not happy with BMW's suggestion that ISO15118 was imminent only to hear that it's not. But then it could be argued that BMW wasn't clear and consumers are expecting software updates while the press releases are still targeting production dates meaning mid-2023 means starting with production mid-2023 and not that the feature will be rolled out via OTA in mid-2023. (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...cts-in-the-car)

I'll hold BMW's feet to the fire as much as T's but I don't recall BMW saying 8.5 would be available for 2023's or 2022 so I'm not upset at them about that.

[Paladin1]

I don't recall 8.5/9.0 being mentioned at all when these cars first came out, and they may have been nothing but a twinkle in Daddy's eye at that, if anything. Or for that matter, any mention of the OS being replaced by anything.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by Paladin1

I don't recall 8.5/9.0 being mentioned at all when these cars first came out, and they may have been nothing but a twinkle in Daddy's eye at that, if anything. Or for that matter, any mention of the OS being replaced by anything.

People here seem to have made assumptions based on how they perceive/know the Tesla style updates to work and thought that BMW meant the same kind of updates would be applied to their cars.

Did BMW purposely use vague language in some of their information? Yes and we should not be happy about that and complaints to HQ about this are indeed valid. When BMW says OTA updates will keep the cars up to date, they don't mean they will update your version of iDrive to the newest one via an OTA update. But I can see how people would think so based solely on their press releases and similar info published online.

I previously had my 2019 X5 on iDrive 7 with OTA updates and so I expected it to work exactly like it did on that car, regardless of how BMW marketing material presented it.

Should BMW try to give us new features like the updated driver assistance on highways, or even new iDrive versions if they don't require hardware changes? Yes. But once you start requiring hardware upgrades, it starts getting much more difficult to manage/maintain the fleet at scale and I can understand a company's choice to not go down that path. There is no right or wrong choice, just different pros and cons to the different approaches.

The more conservative BMW approach means that whoever owns my 2013 335 today has a car that works just as well (with maybe less bugs) as when I owned it from 2013 to 2016. The same cannot be said about a 2013 model S that was updated to the point of making the infotainment unusably slow with no official way to undo the offending updates. But that model S also has Dog mode and other features that didn't exist in 2013. Perhaps Tesla learned from that mistake and will be more careful about updates to older models, which will bring them more in line with the conservative BMW approach and generate owner complaints about not receiving updates like the newer models...

[VirtualGuitars]

Oh, the irony! A little Friday humor for you…

[brumalis]

I did talk to someone in service at my local dealer today who thinks there’s a good chance that they’ll be able to offer a retrofit in the near future. I hope he’s right.

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by VirtualGuitars

Oh, the irony! A little Friday humor for you…

I used to have this poster