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All daily running of the X5 is covered by the electric range. I always switch to Sport when driving on the highway since I'm spoilt by the M4. And I always drive it with no consideration to efficiency - higher speeds and sharper acceleration. It corners flat but suffers from squat and dive in acceleration and braking like most SUVs. For braking, I try to stay within regen range and try to avoid leaning on the M Sport brakes. Without trying, I still manage 32-33 mpg for extended trips, and 27 mpg for short trips (all Sport mode). You may need to talk to people running in hybrid mode to understand what it's actually capable of since I'm always either in full electric or sport - with drive history reset, the car estimates it can do 520 miles or so on a tank + charged up battery FWIW. Electricity costs in WA for the car is like $20-$25 a month? A tank with the current prices costs in the $70 range I think. The X5 usually only needs a top of gas once a month when a road-trip's not happening. And it charges fully overnight every night. For comparison, I get 17 mpg on my M4 - but I always drive it in Sport and like its designed to be driven. I have to fuel it up once a week or so. The car estimates 215 miles to a tank of which probably 160-180 are usable before you're warned to fuel up.
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I don't think anyone should dump a perfectly good ICE to go buy an EV. That makes no sense economically and it makes no sense environmentally. The cost for the ICE is already sunk and the recovery period to be carbon neutral will take a while if you dump an ICE you already have. My case is different. My ICE (E90 335i) car was 13 years old and I was planning on making it a track car. I was planning on an M4 to buy buy saw the i4 M50 announcement and put down the deposit. A few months later my E90 was totaled. If you have a perfectly good ICE BMW Insay keep it and drive it until the wheels fall off. You don't start seeing real benefit of ownership and reduced cost and savings until a car is 5 years old. I keep a car for at least 10 years.
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After driving BMW 5ers for my car for 20 years, and periodically driving wifey's X3, in 2020 I leased a Tesla Model LR AWD. It has been awesome and a great value. My son traded in his 3er for a Tesla Y AWD Performance. He does long trips and he has never had an issue with charging while on long trips. You simply put in your destination into the GPS. It routes you to your destination via Tesla Superchargers if required. That works awesome. BMW makes better cars. However BEV for us is better than ICE cars. BEV trumps ICE. Tesla battery technology, charging infrastructure, and software are all better than BMW at this time. I have zero reservation about long trips in a BEV, especially a Tesla. In October, I will revisit the BMW i4 and possibly order one. The problem right now for me with the i4 is that residuals suck on it, like all BMW's. Money factor sucks. No deals sucks. $2500 deposit sucks. No Euro Delivery sucks. I always go for a good value with a preference for BMW. When my lease is up on May 1, 2023, I'll again go for a good BEV value between BMW, Audi, Tesla, and the Fisker Ocean. We'll see what happens. BMW doesn't give you $7,500 Federal BEV credit on a lease. I was told that Audi does. Hopefully that is true. I have a $250 deposit on a Fisker Ocean. In October I'll place a second order on the BMW i4 M50 or Audi Q4 eTron. Then it's a waiting game and search for the best value.
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BMW at this point in time leads Tesla on driver assist package. BMW has GPS/ADAS aware Regen. Also BMW extended traffic jam Assistant supports hands off under 40mph. BMW lane change assist just works. I can go on but Tesla camera only system is flawed at it's core. BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Cruise and Ford all do auch better job with driver assist and reliability of those features. I have been doing automotive safety systems for years. As far as battery tech. Everyone is on par. There have been no holy grails for solid state batteries discovered and BMW among others are heavily invested. BMW uses excited motor with no rare earth materials and it allows the I4 to coast with virtually no parasitic drag when the motors are not engaged. Also BMW leases do suck. Leases only make sense for manufacturers when there is a glut of cars. Right now if you don't lease a car, they don't care. The next guy will buy it. Also Tesla won't even let you buy the car at the end of a lease. They stopped buyouts of third parties first and now no end of lease purchase at all.
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Completely agree with the OPs assessment. I test drove the i4 M50 extensively and I really liked it a lot.
I was also a fan of the Han Zimmer sounds as well.
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Bill Jacobs definitely has one, i drove by today and it was parked out front right next to the iX
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Hans Zimmer, the German music composer who's composed music for tons of movies including the Dark Knight trilogy, Interstellar, Inception, etc. Composed some sounds to be implemented into the i4 and iX associated with various functions such as turning on/off the car, accelerating under sport mode, etc.
It seemed very gimmicky to me when I first learned about them, but in practice i really appreciated the sounds especially under hard acceleration. It's no substitute for the roar of an ICE motor but they still go a long way to keep this EV from feeling like a soulless appliance.
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Totally agreed with OP's thoughts.
I daily drive an X3M and was blown away with the fit, finish, interior layout and overall feel of the I4 M50. It was definitely impressive and I went into the demo test drive wanting to NOT like it...I just couldn't do it. They did an incredible job developing a fully electric car that doesn't feel like a fully electric car. It's easily the most normal looking car inside and outside - which I love. All the YouTube videos complain about the weight, but I didn't feel the weight at all...the car felt planted. This is top of my list for next car. The sound and driving feel of an ICE is cool...but they did such an amazing job with the I4 M50 - the transition wouldn't be too much for me to get over. The forum warriors will always rag on the car...but this happens every generation. People shitted on the E9x V8...then the F80 Turbo setup...now the grills...next the battery packs...etc. The car is amazing for anyone looking at a possible electric option - dollar for dollar miles ahead of the Porsche Taycan |
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I did a test drive a couple of days ago. Aside from the grille (if everything else was good I could reluctantly live with it in a dark car to partially hide it), I really liked it with one that to me is a critical exception: range. I need more range than the I4 can give me.
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I got all options including 20" wheels. The range isn't a deal breaker for me. We have an X5 that's not going away. I looked at the Lucid but availability and price had be drop it from my list. It starts at $80 and will climb to over $100k after taxes and fees. While I could afford it, I decided not. That was really the only other car I considered. My M50 will get here sometime this summer if they can keep Munich running with all the supply chain issues. My car just dropped from scheduled to no build week today.
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I can only agree with several other posts after my first testdrive of the i4 M50. The car impressed me and not only by its acceleration, which was expected, but as a complete package.
- I really like the looks of the car, agreed I have never had a problem with the new kidneys on the G80, I actually like them. - The interior is very nice and feels more exclusive than I expected. - iDrive 8 and the screens look good, didn’t play around in the OS too though. - The car feels very solid, no rattle or squeeking. - Ride comfort was also better than expected, no slamming from the wheels etc. (I drive X5 45e for comparison which has AS) - It is very fast, goes from 50 km/h to 150 km/h in sport mode before you know it, but it doesn’t feel dramtic at all since there is no roaring ICE, the performance is really masked apart from you being pushed into the back of the seat. - Turn on the Iconic sounds and in sport mode you get a completely different feel of the performance accomanied by the sound. I liked it, thought it would be gimmicky. Overall a very compelling and impressive package. Really enjoyed it and congrats to everyone with one on order. |
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Once in a while I still have an "omg gasp" when I see mine, LOL, but I have gotten several compliments about how hot and cool the front of my car look. Somehow....the grilled works on the i4, especially the M50! |
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But as with many designs that comes and goes i am wondering where they will be going with this in the future, right now the grill is there on the i4 as an identifier of the car but further ahead i am wondering how BMW will stand them self out because in the end we don't need the grill on EVs so its gonna be exiting to see where it goes from here. Then again the IX and the new XM makes me wonder about BMWs design that lies ahead. But to be fair a lot of the designs we see are planned years ahead. So when this new design debuted they probably already had a new one planned for further ahead. So i am not sure of what to expect from BMW or what i would want from them. Sense i am not in the category of "BMW aint BMW any more" talks that's flowing in abundants on these forums. But i aint a fan of the IX and XM either. The i4 does the trick well enough for me but for the future BMW should design cars without this type of grill sens the EVs don't need it to begin with but i don't want BMW to look to generic either. So i am well to put it mildly at a "confused" state for what i would want and what to expect. Picture bellow to highlight some of the difference between the grills of the m440 gran coupe to the i4 m50 and the yellow line is the reference height line to show the cars are the same height next to each other.
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