[hugo_nz]

Originally Posted by CaboM4

This is what pisses me off. I have a letter from BMW that I signed upon delivery of my iX that says otherwise. Parts are plentiful, I have installed the part, and no retrofit coding in ISTA to have the dealer perform to activate the damn module!

I saw a couple of people say the same thing, and at the time I thought it strange since BMW is not in the habit of offering ex-factory deletions as retrofits...ever.

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by hugo_nz

I saw a couple of people say the same thing, and at the time I thought it strange since BMW is not in the habit of offering ex-factory deletions as retrofits...ever.

I believe I remember seeing several posts on here about people getting letters saying it would be retrofitted later. That’s a pretty big option to remove from the vehicle.

[Almaretto]

Usually retrofits gets tagged when something is not a factory option. Some dealerships are more critical than others, but I think they would still have to prove "retrofit" caused issues.

[hugo_nz]

Hi folks. See my first post on this tread for an update. IX coding is dead in the water. As of the latest ISTA update the CAFD files for MGU are no longer present as it too has moved to Coding 2.0/Secure Coding.

[zmm12345]

hugo_nz
Do you think that people will eventually figure out a way around coding 2.0? Or is there really no possible way

[hugo_nz]

Originally Posted by zmm12345

hugo_nz
Do you think that people will eventually figure out a way around coding 2.0? Or is there really no possible way

I would say that it's unlikely to the point of impossible. BMW's secure servers hold the data, and dealers can't even access it. ISTA software at the dealer level has a certificate that is authenticated by BMW server when a coding request is made. It then counter signs the certificate and sends a data payload to the car via the ISTA connection...in a nutshell. There's a great explanation of this here: LINK

Can it change? Well, sure, if governments force BMW to open up the info (think right to repair etc). But then that is already covered by BMW NA offering access to all their tools through TISUI (including coding) but that still entirely excludes *custom* coding, since you will only be able to code what ISTA allows, which is essentially nothing.

Tokenmaster's LauncherPro 5 makes mention of Coding 2.0 support and limited online signing. Not sure how that would work without the actual CAFD files being available.

[Almaretto]

Originally Posted by zmm12345

hugo_nz
Do you think that people will eventually figure out a way around coding 2.0? Or is there really no possible way

Problem is finding coding files to be able to code. There are programs possible if coding and bypassing need to be online, but you need the files to be able to read car. Only time will tell if they get leaked.

[hugo_nz]

Originally Posted by Almaretto

Problem is finding coding files to be able to code. There are programs possible if coding and bypassing need to be online, but you need the files to be able to read car. Only time will tell if they get leaked.

The always on, cloud connected nature of new BMW models also means that coding could be undone OTA. As for leaking…I don’t expect that to ever happen since not even dealerships have access to the files.

[Almaretto]

Originally Posted by hugo_nz

The always on, cloud connected nature of new BMW models also means that coding could be undone OTA. As for leaking…I don’t expect that to ever happen since not even dealerships have access to the files.

I've seen coding remotely undone on cars as early as IDrive 5. Nor do I anytime soon.

[zmm12345]

At least so far you have to agree to install ota updates….

[karmakal]

Anyone knows if it is possible to change the 20 minutes timeout on massage ?

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by karmakal

Anyone knows if it is possible to change the 20 minutes timeout on massage ?

If you figure this out, see if you can change the word “massage” to something that’s actually a little more accurate like “seat airbag inflator…”

[hugo_nz]

Originally Posted by karmakal

Anyone knows if it is possible to change the 20 minutes timeout on massage ?

Cannot be done since no coding is possible on any of the required modules

[Krzysiek_KTA]

Originally Posted by hugo_nz

Update:

I have been experimenting with a few things and want to share some observations:

* Full PSZData still does not include CAF files for modules other than RAM, CCU, MGU and HSHV. Of those, only RAM and MGU can be coded. SWFL and BTLD files are present.

* Coding changes don't stick or have no impact on iDrive. For example, ambient lighting layers are controlled in the RAM unit, but changing the layer colour settings has no impact on iDrive or the actual colours displayed in the car.

* Enabling non-standard features like eSim does not translate to those settings appearing on iDrive. Even with an FA code the correct parameters appear in the MGU CAF but nothing changes on iDrive.

A bit off topic question:

Are above coding limitations applicable to BMW i4 as well?


Many Thanks.

[CaboM4]

I follow a few other automotive software threads .... looks like a group in China have figured out a solution to Coding 2.0 .... charging $100 USD per option coded

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by CaboM4

I follow a few other automotive software threads .... looks like a group in China have figured out a solution to Coding 2.0 .... charging $100 USD per option coded

Thank you for volunteering to be our beta testers… 😂😂😂

[CaboM4]

Originally Posted by VirtualGuitars

Thank you for volunteering to be our beta testers… ������

I don't trust China, so you can count me out

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by CaboM4

I don't trust China, so you can count me out

That was the point of my joke. 😂

[hugo_nz]

Originally Posted by Krzysiek_KTA

A bit off topic question:

Are above coding limitations applicable to BMW i4 as well?


Many Thanks.

i4 is built on the current 4-series stack and is considered a SP18 car, so nope, I do not think secure coding applies yet.

[CaboM4]

Originally Posted by hugo_nz

i4 is built on the current 4-series stack and is considered a SP18 car, so nope, I do not think secure coding applies yet.

it was a victim of 2023-03 ISTEP as well

[Fast400]

From BMW's perspective, I feel that the more Autonomous and interlinked the modules within the vehicle are, they're probably no longer wanting to allow risks for lawsuits. I could just see someone trying to code full hands off steering wheel, or other things that may interfere with the 'autonomous' bits. Even something as simple as coding additional 'blinks' could possibly have an effect on the hands free lane change possibly. Just my thoughts...lets just think about the interesting Tesla videos with folks playing cards instead of driving

[SoCali3Bear]

Originally Posted by x5mad

I’ve only really had a quick 10 minutes play but so far I’ve coded the Idrive disclaimer off and the one touch turn signal to 5 blinks.

Can you please tell me what equipment I need to do this and some basic instructions?

Thank you