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      12-19-2018, 05:23 PM   #23
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We can’t do what the Chinese did way way back? BS... that wasn’t exactly level terrain they built that damn thing on...

(I said way way back so a certain anal retentive troll doesn’t challenge my timing as being fifteen minutes off)
Yep, and the Chinese learned hundreds of years ago that it wasn't very effective in keeping people out that really wanted in.
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Yep, and the Chinese learned hundreds of years ago that it wasn't very effective in keeping people out that really wanted in.
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Not arguing that point. Physically can it be built? Yes. Will it last as long as the Great Wall? Absolutely not.

If the wall is built, which I highly doubt that it will be, this will only leave financial and engineering problems for future generations to maintain.

Did no one happen to see the comment I also made of "building a wall isn't a problem" on the same post or did everyone only read one sentence?
I guess I'm not sure what your point is. Some of the designs I've seen look like they are virtually maintenance free, but even if some maintenance is required I don't get not building something that's important just because it requires work to keep it intact. Isn't that what we already do to maintain our freedom? And I'm not equating the wall with keeping our freedom, but am equating the concept.
My point is that building a wall to stop immigration is equivalent to putting a dead bolt lock on a door to keep intruders out. If they want in bad enough nothing is going to deter them.

As for construction/maintenance, nothing in the history of man has ever been maintenance free....ever. After the wall would completed, it would require around the clock monitoring to ensure that it isn't being destroyed, falling apart or anything else. Again man hours, funding and resources all being used to prevent nothing.

Again, maintenance expenditures would be astronomical. if it were truly important, wouldn't we begin working on a more logical process than building a wall. My 4 year old nephew used to build walls to keep his 1 year old sister out of his room. This is the mentality the wall was derived from. Ask my nephew if his walls kept his sister out of his room.
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My point is that building a wall to stop immigration is equivalent to putting a dead bolt lock on a door to keep intruders out. If they want in bad enough nothing is going to deter them.

As for construction/maintenance, nothing in the history of man has ever been maintenance free....ever. After the wall would completed, it would require around the clock monitoring to ensure that it isn't being destroyed, falling apart or anything else. Again man hours, funding and resources all being used to prevent nothing.

Again, maintenance expenditures would be astronomical. if it were truly important, wouldn't we begin working on a more logical process than building a wall. My 4 year old nephew used to build walls to keep his 1 year old sister out of his room. This is the mentality the wall was derived from. Ask my nephew if his walls kept his sister out of his room.
So I could argue a number of your points but I don't think there's any merit to that but I'd just say this. For a nation to be sovereign they must defend and protect their borders.......if you're not prepared to take the necessary steps then you might as well give up your sovereignty. Sure, some folks might still get in but you at least have to make the effort to keep the folks out who will respect the message sent by a secure border.

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You would be one of those people that while you say "it can't be done"..someone is doing it. Fortunately there were many many more people building this country up vs negative Nancy's like you.
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You would be one of those people that while you say "it can't be done"..someone is doing it. Fortunately there were many many more people building this country up vs negative Nancy's like you.
Hilarious. You know me so well. Call me a Negative Nancy all you want. Read some of my other posts on here and you'll find this isn't the case. I'm not negative, I'm a realist. I also work in engineering so I am that guy that is building things that people say won't work while others stand around and complain. I get paid to evaluate labor, cost and end result versus notion.
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My point is that building a wall to stop immigration is equivalent to putting a dead bolt lock on a door to keep intruders out. If they want in bad enough nothing is going to deter them.

As for construction/maintenance, nothing in the history of man has ever been maintenance free....ever. After the wall would completed, it would require around the clock monitoring to ensure that it isn't being destroyed, falling apart or anything else. Again man hours, funding and resources all being used to prevent nothing.

Again, maintenance expenditures would be astronomical. if it were truly important, wouldn't we begin working on a more logical process than building a wall. My 4 year old nephew used to build walls to keep his 1 year old sister out of his room. This is the mentality the wall was derived from. Ask my nephew if his walls kept his sister out of his room.
I don’t want to be too argumentative on this, but you just repeated what I replied to without regard to my reply, so I’ll say again,
...Some of the designs I’ve seen look like they are virtually maintenance free, but even if some maintenance is required I don’t get not building something that’s important just because it requires work to keep it intact. Isn’t that what we already do to maintain our freedom? And I’m not equating the wall with keeping our freedom, but am equating the concept. Your argument that it won’t work because they’ll get in anyway is one of those don’t do it if it isn’t a hundred percent perfect arguments in my opinion. Walls work, ask the Israelis if you don’t believe me.
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My point is that building a wall to stop immigration is equivalent to putting a dead bolt lock on a door to keep intruders out. If they want in bad enough nothing is going to deter them.

As for construction/maintenance, nothing in the history of man has ever been maintenance free....ever. After the wall would completed, it would require around the clock monitoring to ensure that it isn't being destroyed, falling apart or anything else. Again man hours, funding and resources all being used to prevent nothing.

Again, maintenance expenditures would be astronomical. if it were truly important, wouldn't we begin working on a more logical process than building a wall. My 4 year old nephew used to build walls to keep his 1 year old sister out of his room. This is the mentality the wall was derived from. Ask my nephew if his walls kept his sister out of his room.
I don't want to be too argumentative on this, but you just repeated what I replied to without regard to my reply, so I'll say again,
...Some of the designs I've seen look like they are virtually maintenance free, but even if some maintenance is required I don't get not building something that's important just because it requires work to keep it intact. Isn't that what we already do to maintain our freedom? And I'm not equating the wall with keeping our freedom, but am equating the concept. Your argument that it won't work because they'll get in anyway is one of those don't do it if it isn't a hundred percent perfect arguments in my opinion. Walls work, ask the Israelis if you don't believe me.
I have a half naked woman in my bed waiting on me. You guys enjoy your wall debate and I'll check back in tomorrow.
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It simply isn't possible to build.
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I have a half naked woman in my bed waiting on me. You guys enjoy your wall debate and I'll check back in tomorrow.
What? You find it more enjoyable being with a half naked woman than arguing politics with strangers on the internet? Well, I never! heh...
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First- The wall was a centerpiece of Trump's campaign and can easily be called the issue that got him elected President. It's a smack in the face of democracy to deny the voters what they clearly voted for.

Also- I always find it amusing when people argue that a physical barrier is ineffective, and no physical barrier at all is actually more effective.. at being a barrier to unauthorized entry. 🤦🏻*♂️

The truth of the matter is this is about Trump. The Resistance would oppose peace on Earth if it were Trump that would be credited with making it happen.
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First- The wall was a centerpiece of Trump's campaign and can easily be called the issue that got him elected President. It's a smack in the face of democracy to deny the voters what they clearly voted for.

Also- I always find it amusing when people argue that a physical barrier is ineffective, and no barrier at all is actually more effective at being a barrier to unauthorized entry. smh
He also emphatically stated that Mexico would pay for it, yet here we are.

Illegal border crossings are at a relative low point, and 2/3 of illegal immigration occurs via visa overstays....NOT people walking across our southern border. Those of us who think a 2200 mile long border is a waste of money are of that opinion because there are far better, far cheaper methods of lowering illegal immigration versus some boondoggle.
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First- The wall was a centerpiece of Trump's campaign and can easily be called the issue that got him elected President. It's a smack in the face of democracy to deny the voters what they clearly voted for.

Also- I always find it amusing when people argue that a physical barrier is ineffective, and no barrier at all is actually more effective at being a barrier to unauthorized entry. smh
He also emphatically stated that Mexico would pay for it, yet here we are.

Illegal border crossings are at a relative low point, and 2/3 of illegal immigration occurs via visa overstays....NOT people walking across our southern border. Those of us who think a 2200 mile long border is a waste of money are of that opinion because there are far better, far cheaper methods of lowering illegal immigration versus some boondoggle.
Try and stay focused on topic. The wall is addressing unauthorized entry to the country and border enforcement. 💡
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It simply isn't possible to build.
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But in reality...

If we can't address this hot button without taking the same approach as 5th Century China, we should just sell all the land border states to them and find a new project.
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First- The wall was a centerpiece of Trump's campaign and can easily be called the issue that got him elected President. It's a smack in the face of democracy to deny the voters what they clearly voted for.
Most smart people know that wall was never going to be built and was downright silly for a multitude of reasons. Trump probably knows that as well. This is all just a glorified reality show for him and Trump supporters are blind to it.
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But in reality...

If we can't address this hit button without taking the same approach as 5th Century China, we should just sell all the land border states to them and find a new project.
I vote we SEVERELY penalize any and all US companies that hire and "use" any and all illegal immigrants irregardless of their country of origin.

That should clean shit up real fast!
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