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      01-10-2019, 09:56 AM   #67
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Regardless of how you feel on it, I have to imagine we'd all agree that drug addicted Americans are a gigantic problem in all of this. If it wasn't for the need to fuel their self destructive degenerate actions, we wouldn't have the horrors that come along with the drug trade.

Legalize it, tax the crap out of it, and if people want to throw their lives away in a drug induced haze go right ahead.
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I remember Regan agreed to make all the illegals citizens as the Dems wanted, and after that, the Dems would give him all he wanted.

Then, after they made all the illegals citizens, they said they changed their minds and walked away. Regan lost ... and he said he was very upset.
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The citizenship thing happened under George H, I thought.
Immigration Reform and Control Act, 1986.
signed by Ronald Reagan 11/06/1986
Provided amnesty with a path to citizenship for 3 million undocumented aliens who could show that they were in the country prior to 1982.
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former NBC News Anchor Brian Williams on MSNBC:
"Chuck and Nancy launched a thousand memes while they were still talking"
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Letís try to imagine what things will be like if Trump gets his wall: Trump will lie about its effectiveness. This will be reminiscent of his lies regarding the dismal turnout for his inauguration.
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      01-10-2019, 11:15 AM   #71
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Letís try to imagine what things will be like if Trump gets his wall: Trump will lie about its effectiveness. This will be reminiscent of his lies regarding the dismal turnout for his inauguration.
Effective or not, more American's will feel safer and more of the loons will try to pass sancuary city legislation.
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      01-10-2019, 11:22 AM   #72
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Effective or not, more American's will feel safer...
^^^ This pretty well sizes up Trump: It's about how we feel, not about reality.

Trump made it into a crisis so he can make us feel good when he fixes it. What a hero.
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      01-10-2019, 11:29 AM   #73
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This cracks me up, and I feel it was pretty balsy and badass. Would have enjoyed seeing that.

Trump: "Are you going to give me the one thing I want? Because if so, then we can talk about what you want in return."

Schumer: "Nope, we will never give you funding for your wall, but let me tell you about all the things we want from you."

Trump: "You want me to give you stuff without you giving me what I want?"

(sound of door closing behind him.......)









I imagine that he was, no argument there. One should note, however, that he wasn't dealing with the ass-hats that are leading the Democrat party in Congress these days, though. I doubt Reagan would have had much use for Pelosi or Schumer, either, to be honest.
Yes I though it was pretty cool to I have done this in many business deals and thatís the point well you have nothing to lose because itís got to be done and thatís showing them that heís not budging anytime so weíll soon see a deal hopefully soon, what really gets me is that they all supported the wall and even said it was a great idea and was gonna spend a 50+billion on it and trump only asking for 5 billion thatís like nothing to the debt might as well add it considering Obama was gonna spend 50+billion on a ďwallĒ and little 5 billion isnít even close to 50 billion, itís because they donít like trump let me tell you business is business nothing personal you have to understand that heís here building a country we donít need to sit here critzing the president when he is our president we should be encouraging him to do better thing but avoid the hate he is our president and like I said business is business nothing personal and donít give me some quote from a rapist. Then most of yíall will say well he added x amount and stuff well look at what Obama added we can play the game all day long.
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^^^ This pretty well sizes up Trump: It's about how we feel, not about reality.

Trump made it into a crisis so he can make us feel good when he fixes it. What a hero.
Exact it. It's all an illusion.

Dr. Dre said it best....'Don't believe the hype.'
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^^^ This pretty well sizes up Trump: It's about how we feel, not about reality.

Trump made it into a crisis so he can make us feel good when he fixes it. What a hero.
You forgot my second comment - sancuary states/cities will be the next crisis. And, I do not feel good about their existence.
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Letís try to imagine what things will be like if Trump gets his wall: Trump will lie about its effectiveness. This will be reminiscent of his lies regarding the dismal turnout for his inauguration.
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Effective or not, more American's will feel safer and more of the loons will try to pass sancuary city legislation.
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Exact it. It's all an illusion.

Dr. Dre said it best....'Don't believe the hype.'
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You forgot my second comment - sancuary states/cities will be the next crisis. And, I do not feel good about their existence.
Walls are effective. Even though Politifact tried to muddy the waters and only grudgingly admitted the statement was, "mostly correct", the statistics for this wall indicates a VERY high efficacy.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ration-99-per/
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      01-10-2019, 11:53 AM   #77
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Effective or not, more American's will feel safer and more of the loons will try to pass sancuary city legislation.
And some Americans, the ones for fiscal responsibility, will feel less secure.
Lets simply upgrade our technology so illegals can't be hired, and eliminate sanctuary cities and states. Simply uphold the rule of law. Which would be a nice change of pace for Trump.
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Effective or not, more American's will feel safer and more of the loons will try to pass sancuary city legislation.
Before you get to feeling too safe....
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And some Americans, the ones for fiscal responsibility, will feel less secure.
Lets simply upgrade our technology so illegals can't be hired, and eliminate sanctuary cities and states. Simply uphold the rule of law. Which would be a nice change of pace for Trump.
Nice post. Prohibition could be used as an analogy here. Spawned a whole new level of criminal enterprise. Didn't work too well at it's intended purpose either.
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Before you get to feeling too safe....
Great post for political fodder but not so much for accuracy.

The picture was selected very intentionally because it shows A PROTOTYPE but not THE PROTOTYPE. That picture is of a different system than that Mr. Trump proposes.

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Walls are effective. Even though Politifact tried to muddy the waters and only grudgingly admitted the statement was, "mostly correct", the statistics for this wall indicates a VERY high efficacy.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ration-99-per/

"Israeli government data support Johnsonís statement. However, experts say the fence alone is not responsible for the dramatic decrease in illegal immigration, policies have also deterred illegal border crossings. Border security experts also caution about comparing Israel and the United Statesí southern borders -- the U.S.-Mexico border is much longer than the Israel-Egypt border, terrain conditions are different and more agents would be needed to monitor the U.S. border."
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Wow, I am so shocked that Mexican immigrants have the ability to cut steel poles...These people aren't ancient Mongolians, they can buy things on the internet that could give them easy transit through the wall.
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"Israeli government data support Johnsonís statement. However, experts say the fence alone is not responsible for the dramatic decrease in illegal immigration, policies have also deterred illegal border crossings. Border security experts also caution about comparing Israel and the United Statesí southern borders -- the U.S.-Mexico border is much longer than the Israel-Egypt border, terrain conditions are different and more agents would be needed to monitor the U.S. border."
That's the spin. The fence is the foundation. The drop was to nearly zero. It would not have occurred without the fence.
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That's the spin. The fence is the foundation. The drop was to nearly zero. It would not have occurred without the fence.
It's worth emphasizing that Netanyahu is not talking about the West Bank wall. He is referring to the fence facing Egypt.
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It's worth emphasizing that Netanyahu is not talking about the West Bank wall. He is referring to the fence facing Egypt.
It matters not.

The wall worked despite all of the spin around it from so called, "experts". It's amazing how people still attempt to place a negative sheen on something positive that works splendidly AND SAVES LIVES.
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It matters not.

The wall worked despite all of the spin around it from so called, "experts". It's amazing how people still attempt to place a negative sheen on something positive that works splendidly AND SAVES LIVES.
Any wall is part of an overall solution which includes more manpower, technology, etc.

Has the existing wall fixed the problem...no, Will extending the existing wall fix the problem...no.

Who's lives are in danger?
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Any wall is part of an overall solution which includes more manpower, technology, etc.

Has the existing wall fixed the problem...no, Will extending the existing wall fix the problem...no.

Who's lives are in danger?
This is a good read:

https://cis.org/Report/Examination-U...-Serious-Crime
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Meh. Before I waste buy time reading that thing I looked at the author Carl F. Horowitz formerly of The Heritage Foundation. Already know which way it's going to lean.
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