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      05-05-2015, 12:46 PM   #45
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Oops, I used brah because I thought that's the language you speak.

I do enjoy this beautiful car everyday and you would too if you had one.

Short drag race was what the video was about and I was just responding to your M4 vs i8 track times. It was never meant to even compete with the M4 and the fact that it is competitive in real life situations (unlike track times you posted) makes the i8 truly an outstanding car.

I'm so happy such amazing technological development didn't land in your hands

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No, YOU just don't get it lol. If you bought a car for a "short drag race", because "that's what matters in the streets", then you purchased the wrong vehicle, "brah".

It's sad such an amazing technological development landed in your hands

Have a good day and enjoy the beautiful car!
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If you haven't noticed Elon Musk is not stupid and doesn't do anything that doesn't make money. Rome wasn't built in a day sir.

Still 100% born electric and the true industry electric leader take a look, number one in EV sales sir.
Yes but Tesla is not a cult or magic, it still is a company. Yes Elon Musk is shrewd, a good business man, knows how to take risks. Yes he has a plan and a vision.

But business is littered with the dead bodies of companies with exactly the same characteristics. I think the points raised here are very valid: Tesla is not making money yet and there is still not a clear an exact path to that point. Not that it can't happen, just that there is nothing that say it will yet.

Actually I believe in total number of cars sold Nissan Leaf may be ahead. Either way it is also a losing proposition so far for Nissan. Even at the much lower price point, and much less cutting edge technology it loses money. A lot of money.

I think the make or break for Tesla is the Model 3. If they can deliver that car in any reasonable time frame and at stated price then they will be something to reckon with. But so far nothing in their history shows that to be true.

You are talking to someone who has a Roadster, will not buy a model S, and cancelled a Model X after just waiting way too long.
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If you haven't noticed Elon Musk is not stupid and doesn't do anything that doesn't make money. Rome wasn't built in a day sir.

Still 100% born electric and the true industry electric leader take a look, number one in EV sales sir.
John DeLorean wasn't stupid. Nor was Henrik Fisker. They were visionaries, too, with a proven track record. But building a car company from scratch is not an easy thing to do. Building a car company from scratch that has no clear future to being profitable is not visionary. I'm not sure what it's called. Oh, yeah. It's stupid.
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This is only true on a full on continues straight line drag race. If you are talking about a track or an actual circuit where you accelerate and decelerate the engine will charge the battery. Not on the track but on rural empty roads whenever I am pushing the i8 not in a straight line I never seem to drop below 12-13 mile charge over time, which is how high the engine will charge the battery when not in full demand.

I am happy to hear you are enjoying your i8.
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Musk is a game changer. Your posts on the matter is what is stupid.



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John DeLorean wasn't stupid. Nor was Henrik Fisker. They were visionaries, too, with a proven track record. But building a car company from scratch is not an easy thing to do. Building a car company from scratch that has no clear future to being profitable is not visionary. I'm not sure what it's called. Oh, yeah. It's stupid.
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The Roadster S is a fantastic car...

Monthly Telsa is now outselling Nissan.

You are correct though, Nissan has sold more across the board.



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Yes but Tesla is not a cult or magic, it still is a company. Yes Elon Musk is shrewd, a good business man, knows how to take risks. Yes he has a plan and a vision.

But business is littered with the dead bodies of companies with exactly the same characteristics. I think the points raised here are very valid: Tesla is not making money yet and there is still not a clear an exact path to that point. Not that it can't happen, just that there is nothing that say it will yet.

Actually I believe in total number of cars sold Nissan Leaf may be ahead. Either way it is also a losing proposition so far for Nissan. Even at the much lower price point, and much less cutting edge technology it loses money. A lot of money.

I think the make or break for Tesla is the Model 3. If they can deliver that car in any reasonable time frame and at stated price then they will be something to reckon with. But so far nothing in their history shows that to be true.

You are talking to someone who has a Roadster, will not buy a model S, and cancelled a Model X after just waiting way too long.
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Musk is a game changer. Your posts on the matter is what is stupid.
Please don't do that. Name calling it pointless. MalibuBimmer has made a very valid point, you just don't like it.
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i8 lookin' good to say the least
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John DeLorean wasn't stupid. Nor was Henrik Fisker. They were visionaries, too, with a proven track record. But building a car company from scratch is not an easy thing to do. Building a car company from scratch that has no clear future to being profitable is not visionary. I'm not sure what it's called. Oh, yeah. It's stupid.
DeLorean trafficked cocaine in his cars. Fisker couldn't make his designs into fruition while at Tesla & even poached designs & engineering work from Tesla in starting Fisker. Both are visionaries but equally stupid, which in turn is what you call hallucinations.

People can't see between a vision & a hallucination. We all know at this point that DeLorean & Fisker does not hold a candle to Elon.
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You may be impressed, regardless I think he posting stupid comments accordingly. And he was the one calling Musk stupid. How stupid is that.



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Please don't do that. Name calling it pointless. MalibuBimmer has made a very valid point, you just don't like it.
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Musk as a game changer is yet to be proven. He really hasn't changed any games. He still remains a visionary...


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Musk is a game changer. Your posts on the matter is what is stupid.
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Posted by a BMW i8 owner no doubt.

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Musk as a game changer is yet to be proven. He really hasn't changed any games. He still remains a visionary...
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      05-05-2015, 03:44 PM   #58
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Don't get me wrong, I like his vision for sure

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Posted by a BMW i8 owner no doubt.
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Was that an 1/8 mile? The C63 and the GT3 are at a disadvantage on a short track like that. The i8 has AWD and instant torque.

This video has it running a 1/4 mile side by side with an M4 and a lot of other great cars. The i8 gets a jump on a lot of the cars, but the gaps close quickly over the 1/4 mile.

M4 12.2 sec @ 117.8 mph
i8 12.4 sec @ 112.1 mph
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And the Tesla P85D smokes the overhyped, small wheeled, overpriced i8.. Plus has four doors, is more practical, and contains better technology, better service, and is a better electric car.
Luckily, not all of us are you. Otherwise it would be a very boring world.
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Beyond your talks about Tesla, why this i8 looks ugly

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Only what is disclosed in Tesla's public disclosures. Based on those, Tesla isn't going to make money for a long time.
And by that analysis Amazon will be a faint memory in a few years ....
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And by that analysis Amazon will be a faint memory in a few years ....
Sorry but completely irrelevant analysis. Amazon is built on a model of commerce across MANY MANY different areas of products. Tesla is built on the ASSUMPTION that electric cars will be made cost effectively in volume AND there will be high enough demand for them despite their limitation.

Amazon may succeed or fail over time based on how the business is run and price competitiveness. But Tesla has to still prove the two basic principles for its survival WHILE not having faced any real competition yet (none of this obviously applies to Amazon).

And Tesla has let its time advantage slowly erode. Can you imagine what would happen to Tesla if Audi or BMW came out with a 250 miles electric range car around $50-60K?
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And by that analysis Amazon will be a faint memory in a few years ....
Sorry but completely irrelevant analysis. Amazon is built on a model of commerce across MANY MANY different areas of products. Tesla is built on the ASSUMPTION that electric cars will be made cost effectively in volume AND there will be high enough demand for them despite their limitation.

Amazon may succeed or fail over time based on how the business is run and price competitiveness. But Tesla has to still prove the two basic principles for its survival WHILE not having faced any real competition yet (none of this obviously applies to Amazon).

And Tesla has let its time advantage slowly erode. Can you imagine what would happen to Tesla if Audi or BMW came out with a 250 miles electric range car around $50-60K?
Can you imagine what will happen to BMW when Telsa comes out with the $35000usd Model 3. Musk will be the battery king by then... Tesla just announced the PowerWall. Tesla will diversify beyond and be highly competitive compared to where they are now. Tesla is only just beginning.
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Can you imagine what will happen to BMW when Telsa comes out with the $35000usd Model 3. Musk will be the battery king by then... Tesla just announced the PowerWall. Tesla will diversify beyond and be highly competitive compared to where they are now. Tesla is only just beginning.
If they can get that out in the next year they will survive. They will do nothing major to any major car maker. There is a solid market for an all electric car (trust me I own a few), but it is not mainstream. The range limitation combined with recharge infrastructure will keep them a niche/second car market for a long time to come. If I am driving across the country I am not willing to stop every 200 miles for a 1 hour recharge (even assuming super charger). And if I am driving in Colorado I don't have access to recharge in the mountains.

Also keep in mind that IF electric cars become more common the recharge/infrastructure becomes more of an issue. There would have to be a lot of available slots in a recharge station if 10% of the cars on the road were electric.

Part of why I love the i8 is the balance. I can drive electric, and I can go far. I do not like the Volt/REX approach.

In some ways the ideal approach would be all electric hydrogen fuel cell. All the benefits of the all electric drive, with the ability to 'refuel' in about 5 minutes.

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