[BMWF90M5]

The issue with the low range is that battery deterioration and cold weather will significantly impact those range numbers. Living in a state that sees sub zero temps often and knowing people that own teslas, they have issues getting back and forth from work on a full charge. That 240 range will quickly drop to 200 then 150 before you know it.

[Encanto]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

This guy, at 195cm, is a bit shorter than I am, and he looks really uncomfortable in the rear seat. I remember I felt the same about the rear seat of the F36 I was seriously considering in 2015. So even though the G26 has grown compared to the F36 the rear seat is still not great.

Tesla's rear seat, otoh, is actually OK even with my height. For i4 to match it, BMW would have to give up the coupe shape and use a dedicated EV platform (center tunnel? really?)

There are batteries in the center tunnel.

[pyrat15]

M logo in the front "grille"; M mirrors (!), M logo on the seats, a BIG M, followed by a small 50 and this all on a [electric] M Performance Modell.

Unbelievable how BMW dilutes their famous ///M brand with their way of ///Marketing.

[M5ZRH]

Design: like it or hate it, this is too similar to the ICE version. BMW: why did you make it so bland compared to the concept car ?
Range: try some winter weather, gusts of wind, and you will see your range drop dramatically.
Not that you will use everyday the full range but the difference between announced and real life can be significant.
Unfortunately not there yet in terms of design and technology…

[Silber]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

Actually i don't think the center grill got smaller but rather the "mouth" below it got wider. If you compare where it ends in relation to the inner halo of the headlights you'll see it. Still ugly imo but a slight improvement over the normal 4 series.

Oh absolutely, but I meant that the total surface area within the grille being smaller, which if you look at the bottom of where the two sides meet it's a completely different shape than on the regular 4.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Nahlem

Hey man, i am doing my configurations at the Swedish BMW site but i have seen also bmw.co.uk has opened up their configurations to play around with a little bit. Just scroll down a little bit.

https://www.bmw.se/sv/alla-modeller/...21/bmw-i4.html

https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/all-models/...ighlights.html

Hope it helps.

Cheers.

Thanks for this. Played around with the colors and these are some of my favorite combos. I think the front end looks quite a bit better. I like it (as an addition to ICE vehicles)

[xcusem3]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

You put 50-60+ thousand kms on your car a year? Crazy.

Yes, lots of people do...?

[xcusem3]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

You drive 240 miles three times a week non-stop? You don't need a car with an ICE my friend, you need a jet.

I live in Canada, it's very spread out here. I have a 350km commute that I drive 2-3 times a week. I am not alone here, lots of people drive this much!

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

The i4 M50 range is atrocious. You can't take a long trip past 240 miles as you'll waste time charging. That's around less than 3 hrs of usage on a full charge that range.

What will the range be of future M cars, 150 miles?

Have you ever owned an electric car?

240 miles of range, if actual real world, is fine for most people.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

What's puzzling is that

Model 3 does:

0-60 in 3.1secs
315mi of range
With only 450hp

For $57k

So it's faster, more efficient, longer range and cheaper

:

And you can buy it TODAY
And this is even with their older cells not the 4680

Also all model 3 perf come with Michelin PS4s and don't have to win the lottery like with the M3/4 currently

315 is pure fantasy land for a Tesla Model 3 Performance. Ask me how I know.

[W///]

Originally Posted by xcusem3

I live in Canada, it's very spread out here. I have a 350km commute that I drive 2-3 times a week. I am not alone here, lots of people drive this much!

Then this car is definitely not for you, especially not as an only car.

I didn't have super high expectations but I'm actually kind of impressed with it, to the point where I'm more interested in this than the G80. A few reasons:
1) the G87 would still be my top choice
2) I have to say I haven't had issues with the grille themselves but the bumper openings. I think this is the best looking one out of all of them
3) I'd consider skipping turbocharged engines and going straight to electric. This car would fit my needs great because my commute is only 11 miles each way. I'd still have a choice of 3 NA engines, MT and hydraulic steering. This would bring something completely new over a G80 or G87
4) I was expecting the price of the M50i to be a good 10k more than this. Pleasantly surprised

I want to reiterate that I think where we are now, electric cars just don't work as an only car for most people (IMO). But as a supplementary car, I think the i4 actually checks a lot of boxes

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

It's easy to see that this was not a "full" attempt at an EV so if you take it for what the i4 is, I'm willing to accept some of its shortfalls. While the range isn't the best, it's also not terrible - you get decent range with a G2X interior with a price tag that doesn't approach six-figures.

It's not quite a Model 3 in terms of range but also not priced like an Audi e-Tron GT but you get all the typical BMW stuff but in EV form.

Please enlighten me what's not "full" about it.

The battery is a stressed member. Do you think that's possible without a dedicated EV platform?

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

You drive 240 miles three times a week non-stop? You don't need a car with an ICE my friend, you need a jet.

I do up to 173 twice a week (86.5 miles each way to pickup/dropoff the kids if they can't meet halfway). I'm still thinking this could work for a second car, but without a fast charging network, that's just a little too close for comfort if it were my only vehicle, especially on a day with extreme heat or cold. A bit of a shame as there are 2 Tesla supercharging stations on the way, and I never plan to own a Tesla. We'll get there soon.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by E46M3Ceylon

Why would anyone buy anything but a Tesla now? maybe in 5-10yrs when others have caught up makes more sense.

Because after owning a Tesla for a while, you get tired of things. Here's what you get tired of, in no particular order:

1. Dealing with people who ask you about stupid stuff Elon says in Tweets (seriously).
2. Dealing with a $60k car that has the interior of a $25k Honda.
3. Dealing with a car that can go 0-60 in about 3 seconds, but has the suspension similar to an E30.
4. Dealing with Teslavangelists who think their car is the greatest thing ever made.
5. Dealing with lack of customer service.
6. Dealing with Tesla service who has no parts and no clue how to fix vehicles.
7. Dealing with software updates that nerf features on the vehicle.
8. Elon's push toward the Full Self Driving farce and dealing with THAT fallout.

Don't get me wrong, plenty to like about Tesla and I've done 60k miles in Model 3's now. I still can't believe there efficiency numbers, they trounce everyone else. And if you're going to road trip, then the Supercharger network IS a big deal. Every new EV that comes out is a worse EV than Tesla, even if many are better cars. You realize that Tesla just absolutely trounces everyone on weight and efficiency.

But if you're used to a certain level of car experience, after a while, Tesla leaves you lacking and you get tired of the BS.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by CP911

I have read/heard from Tesla owners that the car's performance starts to suffer as the range decreases and/or if the car is subject to repeated hard accelerations. However, those who've driven the Porsche Taycan will tell you it will still drive like a Porsche from full charge to empty.

I have faith that BMW will not disappoint in this regard. We shall see, but the Germans tend to be conservative with their ratings and specs, whereas I feel like Tesla might be a bit misleading when you only look at their 0-60 times and range specs without also considering how the car performs through the entire battery charge cycle. I personally don't like the concept of eeking out the claimed mileage range by holding back performance to do it.

As for the i4 trims, the eDrive40 seems like a far better proposition. 335hp with instant torque and RWD seems like a blast, not to mention more affordable with significantly better range. That's the one I'd buy if I were in the market.

Here's the problem with Tesla:

The car is TOO efficient. Yes, you read that right. Tesla gets their EPA mileage range because the car is so efficient when driven on the EPA test, it makes fabulous numbers.

But when you live with an EV for a long time, you start to learn of the drawbacks and pitfalls. Like aero drag. When you see how fast the consumption on a Tesla climbs at highway speeds, you realize that the level of mechanical drag is so low, that highway aero drag seems HUGE in comparison. And let me tell you what happens when you hit a headwind.

Don't forget that a 75kWh battery is carrying the equivalent of only 3 gallons of gas. And that at Tesla's EPA rated range, you're getting the equivalent of over 110 MPG. So when you hit a headwind while on the highway, now you're "only" getting 70-80 MPG. Which sounds great, until you realize you only are carrying 3 gallons of gas. And that's a FULL tank. Which you pretty much only use maybe 70-80% of normally.

Porsche's 800V system is the future. It allows much lower current draw and therefore less heat buildup. It also allows for much better charging curves. The Taycan charges over 100kW DEEP into the charge cycle. Like all the way to 90%. If you know EV's, that's unheard of.

Also, Porsche cheats at performance as well. They use a gearbox to improve launch times, but still maintain good highway miles. They also limit max power (overboost) to launch control mode only, and then only for like 3-5 seconds, then the power drops. So you don't get the Tesla degredation in power as the pack discharges, but the headline figure is only available in launch mode. If you stab the pedal from a rolling start, it's not as fast.

It's still plenty flipping fast though. But even the Taycan has limitations.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Please enlighten me what's not "full" about it.

The battery is a stressed member. Do you think that's possible without a dedicated EV platform?

That's what I mean. This is BMW's half-attempt of just putting something on the road because it's not a dedicated platform. We knew this was coming but when you look at it, you realize that this isn't the best coming from BMW. The interior looks awkward because they took the G2X interior and slapped two screens on it.

I'm not faulting them for it because a dedicated platform wasn't ready and this was literally the best they could do with whatever resources they had. I don't think anyone thinks this is the best BMW could come up with, taking a G22 4er and making it into an EV. It's a very good stop gap until a dedicated platform is used.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by xcusem3

Yes, lots of people do...?

I get that, I merely stated that it's crazy. That's s sh!t ton of driving.

[Mako]

Originally Posted by pyrat15

M logo in the front "grille"; M mirrors (!), M logo on the seats, a BIG M, followed by a small 50 and this all on a [electric] M Performance Modell.

Unbelievable how BMW dilutes their famous ///M brand with their way of ///Marketing.

Well what it looks like is happening is M=Audi S
So M competition will = Audi RS

Mercedes is doing same thing
AMG on everything

BMW has to compete in order to keep making cars for us. Porsche is even doing it with GTS on Everything. I mean GTS SUVs???

Having said that, I do agree with you and would get that model de-badged. I don't mind the logo on some thing like steering wheel since it's maybe a M part. But the front grill, sides? i4 is all it needs on rear

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

315 is pure fantasy land for a Tesla Model 3 Performance. Ask me how I know.

Sure but 240 is much worse.

[ManGGouste]

This is what was promised


Look what BMW got us. A compromised car. Losers !
I would have signed a blank check if it looked like this concept.

[JustChris]

Nice looking and of course bodes well for the 4er GC in general but.


Wasn't the range originally 360miles, then I thought I saw 330, and not at launch it's up to 300 mile, apologies if I have misted that.

Perhaps more isn't needed on a day2fay week2week basis.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Nice looking and of course bodes well for the 4er GC in general but.


Wasn't the range originally 360miles, then I thought I saw 330, and not at launch it's up to 300 mile, apologies if I have misted that.

Perhaps more isn't needed on a day2fay week2week basis.

Its the same with the iX. It was originally promised to have over 400 miles, then consequently got lowered with each teaser of the car.