[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Jbrock22

A car without a sunroof is a deal breaker for me.

That "for me" is carrying all the water in this sentence.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Chrisss_GER

edrive40: DIN 2050kg / EU 2125kg
M50: DIN 2215kg / EU 2290kg

Three thoughts:
1. JFC.
2. This is another reason for the low eMPG.
3. The only way to beat Tesla's numbers is to have a dedicated EV platform.

[claudioagmfilho]

MHD isn't tuning my car, bought the license back in February and my map Pack that's why they call it the day before yesterday and they aren't answering or letting me tune my car, they say that the license has been redeemed, my wife said that when Germans get money They never give it back but I think that they should give me my money back because I haven't tuned anything and I lost all this money for the tune and for the lyses you're not receive responding me nothing very upset with MHD tuning what do you guys think I should do I have you mailed them and I wrote on Instagram or they're not responding anything

[snareman]

Originally Posted by chicagofan00

IIRC, this is somewhat of a preview of what the LCI will bring for the G2x/G8x platforms as well. Probably not a full implementation like this for iDrive 8 but supposed to be pretty similar I believe from other rumors/rumblings posted on here.

Yea, I assume everything is going this way. My Jeep is missing a bunch of buttons that I now have to wade through different screens for and it's annoying. Some things just need to have hard buttons for ease of use.

[Chrisss_GER]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

Is this a link for the weight data?

Link for specifications

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by Silber

So after staring at these cars a bunch, I realized that this front end is actually a decent bit different than the regular 4 series. The total area of the grille is smaller and reshaped, and there are a number of areas where soft edges have become sharp lines.

Noticed the same thing. i4 is a bit smaller (i.e. better). It's still not great, but not as obnoxious as the one on the ICE 4er. I'd consider the i4 in a few years when I'm done with my F30. Lowered and with different wheels, I think the i4 would look pretty good. I'm looking forward to seeing what the aftermarket does with the i4.

[GioM3]

Originally Posted by The J-Man

245 mile range on the M50 is not good enough. In the winter, that will be 170-180 and it will only get worse from there as time goes by. I owned an i3 for nearly 5 years and I'm a long way from being interested in an electric car again. The tech is just not there yet.

The ICE cars today are the best ICE cars that mankind has ever produced.

The electric cars today are the worst electric cars that mankind will ever produce.

Take your pick.

Well said

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I've noticed you're in Texas. You have higher speed limits, so you're much more affected by the rapid increase in energy consumption any Tesla would show above 70mph. On your highways you basically have to drive dangerously slow to be close to the EPA rating. This is disappointing but not typical for the majority of the US population and even the world population.

Porsche's solution is great. It's also in a totally different price category. Maybe this is why the i4 uses neither extra gears nor the 800V system.

I live in Texas but spent 25 plus years driving the North East and Mid Atlantic. The average highway speed here isn't much higher. Probably less if you count the NJ Turnpike. LOL. Put it this way: Tesla forum people in the North East aren't claiming that they're getting the rated EPA range either. That range is a myth, unless you drive a constant 70 MPH in good weather. On aero wheels. No accelerations.

As to your other point, Hyundai / Kia are coming out with 800V systems on the Ioniq 5 and the EV6. For less than the i4.

The EV6 will have 576 HP and do 0-60 in less than 3.5 sec. And should be about $60k.

Note, I am not comparing these two vehicles. Merely stating that the 800V system isn't reserved for the Taycan and Audi ETron GT price bracket.

https://www.cars.com/articles/2022-k...-model-435922/

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Three thoughts:
1. JFC.
2. This is another reason for the low eMPG.
3. The only way to beat Tesla's numbers is to have a dedicated EV platform.

A dedicated EV platform only goes so far. Taycan has a dedicated EV platform.

Taycan Turbo has an EPA rated range of 212 miles. Let's call it a realistic 250. It weighs 5120 lbs. It goes 0-60 in 3.0 Sec with launch control.

A Model S, Long Range, not even this mythical Plaid, weighs about 4,600 to 4,800 lbs (accounts vary, Tesla doesn't publish weights). But say at least 300 lbs lighter than a Taycan. Has more room despite having a bigger battery. A larger frunk. And does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds, and has a rated range of 412 miles. Call it a realistic 350. That's 100 miles more than the Taycan.

So there's dedicated EV platforms, and then there is vertically integrated, stripped down dedicated platforms that have been mercilessly honed over 9 years.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

So there's dedicated EV platforms, and then there is vertically integrated, stripped down dedicated platforms that have been mercilessly honed over 9 years.

The mercilessly honed dedicated EV platform is needed as current battery tech is maxed out(similar to ICE?).

When the promised(or hyped?) next gen battery that charges 60x faster and stores 3x more than current tech shows up, one can strap such battery on any platform to get noticeable improvements(and obviously dedicated effort can even fare better ....).

[stein_325i]

I'm surprised there is no xDrive variant for the lower trim. AWD is valued incredibly high by shoppers today. Only way to get AWD is to pay more for the top trim it seems, I don't think that will work in BMW's favor.

[bavarianride]

When will i4/iX be shipped in non-US markets? Since electric drivetrain production has started, does it mean EU Q3/Q4 delivery will be possible?

[DieGrüneHölle]

The specs and pricing are awful. Why would anyone buy an i4 M50 over Model 3 Perf. M50 is slower, less range by 75 miles, and $13k more expensive. Also Tesla's charging infrastructure is unmatched. Oh and that pig nose.

[BimmerBahn]

Originally Posted by DieGrüneHölle

The specs and pricing are awful. Why would anyone buy an i4 M50 over Model 3 Perf. M50 is slower, less range by 75 miles, and $13k more expensive. Also Tesla's charging infrastructure is unmatched. Oh and that pig nose.

Because it‘s not $13K more expensive (assuming you add FSD and a color other than default white…. And the stated range for the P3D isn‘t achievable in the real world…. Not to mention, BMW is known to under promise with specs, so I feel the real world range will be comparable to the Tesla P3D.

There will still be challenges, namely the charging network and the typical new platform bugs, but it‘s great there is another option to compete with Tesla… competition is good!

[TCBavarian]

Great article on the future of BMW and EV development for them

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/ele...whats-next-bmw

Note that "WLTP range is 369 miles, or 319 miles for the 544bhp all-wheel-drive M50i version"

Tests vary, and the EPA hasn't done their tests on these cars yet. 225, 240, 300, 350. Doesn't really matter to me. Charging network is good where I want to travel and I have a L2 charger at home. Plus I think I barely make it past 200 miles on one tank in my M2cs :-D

[wtcantfw]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Three thoughts:
1. JFC.
2. This is another reason for the low eMPG.
3. The only way to beat Tesla's numbers is to have a dedicated EV platform.

Wow. Coming in above the Model 3/3P is not surprising but an almost 1,000 lb difference is nuts.

Even comparing against the Mach-E GT at ~4,800 lbs the i4 looks chunky, the Mach-E is obviously a crossover and has a substantially larger battery (98 vs 83.9 kWh). You can argue they aren't direct competitors, but on paper they are both dual-motor, sub-4 second EVs with ~250 mile ranges. The i4 weighs in close to the top trim Taycans which are a full class up in size and performance.

I have no doubt the i4 will have better NVH, driving dynamics, and interior quality than Ford/Tesla. But BMW has long talked up lightweighting with CLAR, materials, etc. What gives? Is there really that big of a weight penalty using a non-dedicated EV platform?

[adc]

Very informative discussion, keep it going.

Can someone with Tesla real life experience comment on the level of service, parts availability etc? I am a complete T newbie.


The idea of a nice, quick, daily EV and a Cayman GT4 for track fun is increasingly attractive. These EVs have got to be horrendous on track consumables, and you need to worry about warranty and related wear and tear.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by DieGrüneHölle

The specs and pricing are awful. Why would anyone buy an i4 M50 over Model 3 Perf. M50 is slower, less range by 75 miles, and $13k more expensive. Also Tesla's charging infrastructure is unmatched. Oh and that pig nose.

Why would anyone buy any EV that isn't a Model 3 or Tesla for that matter? If your need is primarily range, Tesla is going to win out majority of the time against all manufacturers. For everyone else, they'll compromise on the range (they know what they need) and settle with an EV with a BMW interior.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

240 is what's realistic in the Tesla. So not worse. Same.

Not really cause the 240 from BMW are probably more like 160

[canadianbimmerlover]

Sigh...this is so not interesting. I really can't get excited about theses vehicles. I get it's the future but I was thinking how much I like my OG M2 and X3 M Comp. I'm super excited about the next M2...this EV stuff, not so much.

[BimmerBahn]

Originally Posted by adc

Very informative discussion, keep it going.

Can someone with Tesla real life experience comment on the level of service, parts availability etc? I am a complete T newbie.


The idea of a nice, quick, daily EV and a Cayman GT4 for track fun is increasingly attractive. These EVs have got to be horrendous on track consumables, and you need to worry about warranty and related wear and tear.

Tesla service is sub-par compared to any of the german brands IMO. I do like the mobile service option, but parts for body work, etc can be a long wait…. The Tesla FB groups I‘m in people are always bitching that their vehicle spent months in the shop waiting for parts from Tesla. Even shipping parts from Germany, the most I‘ve ever waited was a week… I know there are exceptions, but it does tend to be longer than normal with the Tesla service/collision repair.

Tesla also likes to change shit so you really don‘t know what you‘re getting… recently they started removing radar from the Model 3 — assuming due to supply constraints — so now their driver safety system uses vision only, which has its own challenges.

I‘ve had one recurring annoyance with my P3D… mobile service has been out once to fix it… it hasn‘t returned thankfully. Aside from that one issue, and the generally shitty paint, it does drive like it‘s on rails… wicked fast, thank you instant torque. The interior is spartan and I like the creature comforts. The Tesla fanbois all say, but it makes fart noises, etc… I‘m not 12, so that is irrelevant. My wife hates she can’t turn off her vents and everything is controlled through the center display. The P3D is a pretty stiff ride, even compared to my 2017 ///M3 ZCP — I dont notice it as much as my wife, but on a bumpy road, you definitely feel it. You also go through tires….due to the weight…. 2 tons is no joke on the rubber.

OTA updates are very cool…. FSD is a gimmick and I say that paying for it. It‘s not there… I‘m not sure we‘ll see it in the next decade with current hardware either.

I‘m happy I went with Tesla… it was an interesting change from the ///M3. If I was looking now vs two years ago, I don’t think I would’ve even considered Tesla… too many other options on the market now that are in many ways better than Tesla….sans charging network.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by adc

Very informative discussion, keep it going.

Can someone with Tesla real life experience comment on the level of service, parts availability etc? I am a complete T newbie.


The idea of a nice, quick, daily EV and a Cayman GT4 for track fun is increasingly attractive. These EVs have got to be horrendous on track consumables, and you need to worry about warranty and related wear and tear.

A Model 3 + 718 S family here (and a friend's GT4 is parked in the driveway whenever he gets hungry or wants a company to watch the Bruins kicking Ovechkin's ass). Though for us it's autocross, not track.

This combo is working really well for us. I daily drive the Tesla, my wife takes it for longer and/or bad weather drives if I don't need it, so the Porsche gets something like 3K miles a year while the Tesla is closer to 16K. This is without commute - we wfh. The funny part in this arrangement is that my wife claims to hate the Tesla for its lack of soul but still drives it whenever the situation can be too "stressful" for the pampered Porsche.

I've had the Tesla for a bit less than 3 years. In that time I went to the service center 5 times:
1. Soon after taking delivery, to get the driver's door adjusted. Back then (2018) Tesla outsourced body work so it took about a week.
2. A year ago a window regulator failed and was replaced.
3-5. Same issue: front upper control arms. It's a known problem of 2017-2018 Model 3s that was resolved in later builds. It took three visits because one time the noise went away right when I dropped it off (the issue is humidity/temperature dependent).

For visits 1, 2, and 4 I had a loaner, my wife picked me up at visit 3, and I simply waited an hour at the last visit. In all cases I was able to schedule the service 5-10 days out, and the car didn't spend any extra time in the shop waiting for anything. I also had a two year maintenance at one of those visits (the only thing I had to pay for), and some interior squeaks and a sticking horn were taken care of at another visit.

Comparing to my previous car (F31), over the same period of time I had a few more issues but fewer visits because less maintenance. My BMW dealership was also stingier on loaners than Tesla is.