[nosnoop]

Originally Posted by nafelabdal

The truth is that this "i4" is an expensive car with no new technologies or innovations over its ICE brethren and can't make a convicting case of why one should spend $75K for it. You can convince your self otherwise but that is the truth.

The real truth is that BMW i4 was named one of the most efficient EV out there, and it has now also earned the Saloon of the year by TopGear.

These are actual awards, not trash talking or "rebuttals" by random posters in a forum.

[BimmerBahn]

Originally Posted by Cosmo_Kramer

-snip- You also said we can buy a fully loaded 4 series Gran Coup for $55k. -snip-

Coupe -- a two or four-door saloon w/ a sloping roof line

Coup -- where you keep your chickens ---and yes, I know the actual spelling is coop

carry on!

[Cosmo_Kramer]

Originally Posted by BimmerBahn

Coupe -- a two or four-door saloon w/ a sloping roof line

Coup -- where you keep your chickens ---and yes, I know the actual spelling is coop

carry on!

Nah I meant to write as Gran insurrection.

[spool twice]

The car starts at $8,xxx USD more than the ICE car, in theory $500-ish more if we still qualify for the $7,500 tax credit (up in the air). Regardless, no brainer for me.

[Yeru]

Originally Posted by Ilikemike

Based on most of the comments above I feel like I've stumbled on to the Audi or Mercedes site… 😜
Good going BMW, Top Gear is not an easy audience to please 🙂!!

Not really; Audi and Mercedes are just as boring in the segment IMO

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Yeru

Not really; Audi and Mercedes are just as boring in the segment IMO

Not so sure about that. Our brief exposure to a 2016 Audi brought a lot of excitement to our lives. We got to meet and talk with people in the Service Department often, as well as Customer Relations people in the corporation, read lots of repair orders and reasons why things couldn't be fixed and/or excluded from warranty. Not boring at all! But, we decided we couldn't handle this much excitement ever again, dumped the A6, and settled for the reduced excitement of this kind with 3 BMWAG products that have been reasonably close to flawless for years. If a hands-on reveals the i4 works for me and they fix the base price to get the tax credit, I'll be happy to stay in the BMW family!

[Ken7]

Originally Posted by nafelabdal

Absolutely no rebuttal to what I stated earlier. Other than it can go from 0-60 in x amount of time, and instant torque.

Is there anything else? Oh, it drives "quiet", lol.

And for your information yes, I did drive an EV for sometime.

The truth is that this "i4" is an expensive car with no new technologies or innovations over its ICE brethren and can't make a convicting case of why one should spend $75K for it. You can convince your self otherwise but that is the truth.

So in other words you’re just trolling. Got it and see ya.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by nafelabdal

Absolutely no rebuttal to what I stated earlier. Other than it can go from 0-60 in x amount of time, and instant torque.

Is there anything else? Oh, it drives "quiet", lol.

And for your information yes, I did drive an EV for sometime.

The truth is that this "i4" is an expensive car with no new technologies or innovations over its ICE brethren and can't make a convicting case of why one should spend $75K for it. You can convince your self otherwise but that is the truth.

You are completely wrong.

Motors are new with no permanent magnets or rare earth materials. Designed BMW and manufactured by BMW.

GPS aware regen. No other cars do this.
Advanced braking that uses a dynamic mix of regen and regular brakes. On the M50 up to 200kw or regen.

Advanced ADAS if you opt for it including hands free traffic jam another other things.

Heat pumps for various uses.

It may look like a 4 series GC but it is not just a GC with some electric motors. There is plenty of advanced tech. You just don't see it.

Anyway a M440 Xi GC fully loaded is $70k and it's missing about 170hp.

[The_Misano_Blues]

Originally Posted by DeeKay

While you might prefer the look of a classic BMW, that the i4 tries to hold on to, it's really a massive waste of opportunity that it's just a ICE platform they are sharing.

Massive BMW bonnet, with no frunk - could at least have made a decent size room for cables etc.
Still gigantic transmission tunnel - in a car without a transmission.
No extra interior space because of the electrification gains.

I really looked forward to this car, when the first concept was shown, but it's a let down that it's just a BMW 4-GC with a electric drivetrain

BMW are moving away from the frunk I believe, to do with having a variable weight on the front axle. I think you get underfloor storage in the rear which acts as your charger holder

[Rich9600]

Originally Posted by The_Misano_Blues

BMW are moving away from the frunk I believe, to do with having a variable weight on the front axle. I think you get underfloor storage in the rear which acts as your charger holder

They did spend a long time harking on about their weight distribution in adverts of the past. However, the 40e is quite weight biased to the rear. So, adding nose weight would make sense…

I'd bet that the 40e and M50 share identical placement of everything up front except the motor. So, no Frunk for financial reasons.

The long nose and sitting between the wheels is what makes a BMW feel like it does to me. I have had BMW's since 2009 and love the way the car feels like it pivots around the driver. The front occupants are arround the centre of mass. So, part of a sports saloon design.

I will not argue that the i4 could have been better as a pure BEV design. But, for now this is cost effective and quick.

My F31 340i is 5 years old now and I'm ready to change. This car will be my target 6 years old, come my delivery. The i4 family hatchback has the range and practicality I need as a fun daily driver. Come 6 years time in 2028 the UK will be two years off banning the sale of new petrols. Petrol is now well over £7 a gallon for premium fuel in the U.K. With a growth of environmentalism, I feet that a similar specified 340i or 440iGC would likely cost me more over the next 6 years!

I believe Top Gear, a UK 'institution' has recognised this change and named a car that, like for me, appears to tick all boxes as a fun family daily driver. But, the proof will be in the pudding…

[spool twice]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

You are completely wrong.

Motors are new with no permanent magnets or rare earth materials. Designed BMW and manufactured by BMW.

GPS aware regen. No other cars do this.
Advanced braking that uses a dynamic mix of regen and regular brakes. On the M50 up to 200kw or regen.

Advanced ADAS if you opt for it including hands free traffic jam another other things.

Heat pumps for various uses.

It may look like a 4 series GC but it is not just a GC with some electric motors. There is plenty of advanced tech. You just don't see it.

Anyway a M440 Xi GC fully loaded is $70k and it's missing about 170hp.

Ironically given his comments, the mass appeal of the i4 is that it doesn't shout that it has technical innovations and that it is in fact a 4 series GC, only different Check's pretty much all of the boxes for someone who's transitioning from ICE to BEV

[bavarianride]

Has any prospective i4 buyer cross shopped Porsche Taycan?

The Porsche Performance Battery Plus is $80k+, and 0-60 in 4.7 seconds, not bad right?

[taitam]

I Have, and only just last week. I tested the Cross Tourismo 4S. In the UK by the time you add some "essential extras", you are paying £20k over the fully loaded i4 M50 price and the Taycan is still short of much of the tech the i4 provides.

• As tested, the Taycan performance is amazing, but I expect the i4 to be better.
  
• The Taycan range wasn't great - it was fully charged and showed 208 miles. Temperature and the previous driver having an impact.
  
• It's a big car - but too big for what I want or need.
  
• I didn't get on with the touch screens. Finger prints everywhere that I just found annoying and a distraction.
  
• My car had a rattle in the passenger seat - surprising in a Porsche
  
• The Porsche residuals are better, but you pay a premium. Swings and roundabouts
  

So overall, I'm sticking with my i4 order.

[Ken7]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

You are completely wrong.

Motors are new with no permanent magnets or rare earth materials. Designed BMW and manufactured by BMW.

GPS aware regen. No other cars do this.
Advanced braking that uses a dynamic mix of regen and regular brakes. On the M50 up to 200kw or regen.

Advanced ADAS if you opt for it including hands free traffic jam another other things.

Heat pumps for various uses.

It may look like a 4 series GC but it is not just a GC with some electric motors. There is plenty of advanced tech. You just don't see it.

Anyway a M440 Xi GC fully loaded is $70k and it's missing about 170hp.

Techwiz, I’m curious what ‘GPS aware’ regen is? That’s the first I’ve heard of this.

[spool twice]

The roadblock with the Taycan is that the allocations for a new order is 1.5 years out and most dealers are tacking in $5-$10k mark-ups. That put a stop for me even though the Taycan was my 1st choice.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by Ken7

Techwiz, I'm curious what 'GPS aware' regen is? That's the first I've heard of this.

Here is a good explanation of it from an iX3 video.

It's called adaptive but uses GPS data so is uses ADAS and GPS.

[Ken7]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

Here is a good explanation of it from an iX3 video.

It's called adaptive but uses GPS data so is uses ADAS and GPS.

Very cool, but is it in the i4 too or just the iX?

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by Ken7

Very cool, but is it in the i4 too or just the iX?

It's apparently a feature on the iX3, i4 and IX.

This review of the i4 M50 talks about it also.
https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/61725/

[taitam]

Adaptive recuperation is mentioned in the manual

[shawn2010]

love it

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by shawn2010

love it

There aren't any other cars outside of BMW that have adaptive regeneration.

But remember the i4 doesn't have much tech. At least according to people that don't read.

[Ken7]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

There aren't any other cars outside of BMW that have adaptive regeneration.

But remember the i4 doesn't have much tech. At least according to people that don't read.

Actually my Audi e-Tron has a similar feature. Although I'm not aware of it using map data, it does anticipate the degree of regenerative braking based on the distance of the car ahead.

I actually don't use the feature and instead rely on a setting where I use the highest degree of regenerative braking, to come as close as I can to one pedal driving.