[Pictor]

This looks interesting. Shipping in January but I wonder when they'll open up the SC network to CCS1 cars to initiate payments.

https://ev-lectron.com/products/lect...san-400a-1000v

[VersatenBMW]

Originally Posted by Pictor

This looks interesting. Shipping in January but I wonder when they'll open up the SC network to CCS1 cars to initiate payments.

https://ev-lectron.com/products/lect...san-400a-1000v

Curious if this is UL or CE-listed.

I really think that Musk will slow roll or stop opening up the supercharger network to non-Tesla vehicles. Tesla vehicles are now inferior to the competition. The supercharger network is a significant factor in buyers going with Tesla versus better vehicles that are tied to inferior charging networks. So why would Tesla open up their network and lose car sales?

[darylp310]

Originally Posted by VersatenBMW

Curious if this is UL or CE-listed.

I really think that Musk will slow roll or stop opening up the supercharger network to non-Tesla vehicles. Tesla vehicles are now inferior to the competition. The supercharger network is a significant factor in buyers going with Tesla versus better vehicles that are tied to inferior charging networks. So why would Tesla open up their network and lose car sales?

In the latest Tesla financial report their Automative Sales gross margins fell to 15%, and their Energy/Battery Division grew to 24%. To continue to grow their stock price, Tesla needs to invest further in their SuperCharger and battery services. Their cars have indeed become a commodity now that the other manufacturers have caught up.

[Road Trip]

Originally Posted by Pictor

This looks interesting. Shipping in January but I wonder when they'll open up the SC network to CCS1 cars to initiate payments.

https://ev-lectron.com/products/lect...san-400a-1000v

You hit the nail on the head as to when Tesla’s SC’s wil authenticate this and allow payment. Until then, just a piece of plastic without value.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by darylp310

In the latest Tesla financial report their Automative Sales gross margins fell to 15%, and their Energy/Battery Division grew to 24%. To continue to grow their stock price, Tesla needs to invest further in their SuperCharger and battery services. Their cars have indeed become a commodity now that the other manufacturers have caught up.

Too bad Tesla didn't take the Apple approach of creating a luxury product with super high margins. One doesn't have to have the most market share to grab the most profits. Elon Musk is pretty stupid if he thinks a race to the bottom is a winning race. WRT opening up the superchargers, currently the only ones available to non-Teslas are still isolated to the Northeast US. It's been what, almost a year since those were announced. What's the delay, Elon? Are you waiting for your mother's approval or something?

[grueber]

Originally Posted by darylp310

In the latest Tesla financial report their Automative Sales gross margins fell to 15%, and their Energy/Battery Division grew to 24%. To continue to grow their stock price, Tesla needs to invest further in their SuperCharger and battery services. Their cars have indeed become a commodity now that the other manufacturers have caught up.

Does Tesla say how much profit they make off the Superchargers?

I would guess not much if at all. Most gas stations make a profit from their in-store sales not gas sales.

Whenever one of these adapters get the official Tesla blessing I will likely get one. What’s $200 for a $100k EV?

[DC_EV]

Originally Posted by VersatenBMW

Curious if this is UL or CE-listed.

I really think that Musk will slow roll or stop opening up the supercharger network to non-Tesla vehicles. Tesla vehicles are now inferior to the competition. The supercharger network is a significant factor in buyers going with Tesla versus better vehicles that are tied to inferior charging networks. So why would Tesla open up their network and lose car sales?

They have to open it up or else they won’t qualify for the billions in federal subsidies they are seeking to expand the network.

[VersatenBMW]

Originally Posted by DC_EV

They have to open it up or else they won’t qualify for the billions in federal subsidies they are seeking to expand the network.

who knows what the government requirements are to receive this subsidy. If it was such a goldmine Evgo and Chargepoint stock prices would not be at the bottom of the tank. Let's see what happens.

[DC_EV]

Originally Posted by VersatenBMW

who knows what the government requirements are to receive this subsidy. If it was such a goldmine Evgo and Chargepoint stock prices would not be at the bottom of the tank. Let's see what happens.

It’s pretty straight forward, if they want the federal dollars they have to have both NACS and CSS.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...20immediately.

[Road Trip]

In Lectron’s email ad I just received (below), nor in the link within the email if one clicks on it, does it say that Tesla needs to later approve your using it to state the charging process. Conversely while it says shipping only starts in January, then it states to just plug it in to any Tesla Supercharger and get juiced up quickly. Has Lectron already inked a sealed with Tesala that effective January 1, all users will be home free at all SC’s using the Lectron adapter, or is Lectron leaving out part of the early 2024 reality?

[VersatenBMW]

Originally Posted by DC_EV

It’s pretty straight forward, if they want the federal dollars they have to have both NACS and CSS.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...20immediately.

I hope this happens! Would be a game changer for all of us with long distance trips. For me, supercharger network is really the only reason to consider Tesla, and even with that won't go there. Too many bad experiences with the brand from fit/finish to driver interface (e.g. blind spot detection/removal of stalks) to removing radar and USS which cripples Auto-cruise and parking.

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by Road Trip

Has Lectron already inked a sealed with Tesala that effective January 1, all users will be home free at all SC’s using the Lectron adapter, or is Lectron leaving out part of the early 2024 reality?

I don't think Lectron needs to ink any deals. This will likely compete for consumer spend for car companies that have already signed deals and will need adapters to use a SC. This adapter is essentially a passthrough device. That said, there has been very little information from T* on HOW this will all work.

I ordered one to go with my bag of other adapters. Worst case, I'll be able to use it on a third party dispenser if the CCS1 plug is broken like many of the EVgo's around here.

[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by Pictor

This looks interesting. Shipping in January but I wonder when they'll open up the SC network to CCS1 cars to initiate payments.

https://ev-lectron.com/products/lect...san-400a-1000v

It's not priced right. Tesla's own CCS1 to NACS adaptor is only $175. There's no reason for a NACS to CCS1 adaptor to need to cost more - especially a third party adaptor.

https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter

[VersatenBMW]

I ordered one to go with my bag of other adapters. Worst case, I'll be able to use it on a third party dispenser if the CCS1 plug is broken like many of the EVgo's around here.[/QUOTE]

This is a really good point that I hadn't thought of. Gives some additional backup for Evgo and others that have unused NACS plugs.

[Pictor]

Sure, perhaps. And comparing it to the price of their other adapters you have a point. But the Vortex adapter is good for 1000v

[Road Trip]

I just got a follow Email up from Lectron offering me an additional 5% off. So with that and using my Apple Card discount, just paid net $178.59 including shipping.

[Road Trip]

Don’t have our iX yet; at the port of Bremerhaven and don’t even know what ship it would be on, but thinking we will probably have it just before Christmas.

Already planning our first long (+5,000 mile) road trip for next spring however…

[Markjunior89]

Sooooo for the NACS CCS adapters, we now have three choices
A2Z EV : reputable among the EV community, they did an interview with Tom Moloughney on YouTube, talked about safety, certifications and OEM interactions, which might be Tesla (or not). They have proven results 2 days ago on X. Pre-sales have not started as they seem to be waiting for an official approbation from Tesla, which makes sense.
152kW on a 160kW charger is incredible.



https://x.com/a2zev/status/1715125792835797364?s=20
https://a2zevshop.com/products/nacs-ccs1

On the other hand we have Lectron, very well known, that is eager to start sales without any proven results or very little details. They seem to delete comments on their product page as well. No approbation, no certification, no real product besides 3D pictures. To me it seems they are skipping some steps here and if they don't get approved by Tesla, the adapter will be a good garage decoration,...
My gut says to trust A2Z EV, but then Lectron is taking preorders, I feel like I should wait at least for Tesla to open their superchargers or simply get an adapter from BMW. Safety is very concerning here, I don't think that Tesla will let any company use their network just like that without a ''background check''.

I will either wait for BMW or A2Z EV, which has been more than professional holding up the sales and making sure everything is safe and certified.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by Road Trip

In Lectron’s email ad I just received (below), nor in the link within the email if one clicks on it, does it say that Tesla needs to later approve your using it to state the charging process. Conversely while it says shipping only starts in January, then it states to just plug it in to any Tesla Supercharger and get juiced up quickly. Has Lectron already inked a sealed with Tesala that effective January 1, all users will be home free at all SC’s using the Lectron adapter, or is Lectron leaving out part of the early 2024 reality?

It would be impossible for that adapter to allow supercharging on vehicles that are not whitelisted on Tesla's servers (i.e., a signed deal with a manufacturer along with billing infrastructure). The devil is in the details. It clearly says "any EV using the Tesla charging standard." That means your car's manufacturer has to have adopted Tesla's charging standard. Nobody has done that yet, at least not until next year and beyond.

[mindmachine]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

It's not priced right. Tesla's own CCS1 to NACS adaptor is only $175. There's no reason for a NACS to CCS1 adaptor to need to cost more - especially a third party adaptor.

https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter

You are comparing apples to oranges. The Lectron adapter is a NACS to CCS1 at $199. The link you provided for Tesla's adapter is a CCS1 to NACS at $175, which is backward to what we are talking about. The other adapter in the discussion is the NACS to CCS1 A2Z EV @ $201.

The key point is we currently only see 2 NACS to CCS1 adapters available, there are lots of CCS1 to NACS adapters, some are even less that $100.

[nkoneru]

I ordered Lectron Vortex few weeks ago. Seems like order are backed-up quite a lot. I was wondering if anyone has this for their BMW i

[Pictor]

No, it's still inflight. I ordered one the day it was announced and I don't have one either. It's probably a few months away still.

Edit to add that even if you had the adapter today, the T* app still won't allow charging on the SC network which is currently only open to non-Tesla's at SC sites with the built in magic dock. The only benefit today might be at 3rd party site like EVgo that have NACS connectors. If the CCS1 cable is broken you would be able to use the NACS adapter to charge your CCS1 car assuming the dispenser is functional.

https://driveelectric.gov/charging-connector

What is the estimated timeline for J3400 standardization?
November 2022: Tesla renames its previously proprietary connector to NACS and opens the standard to make it available to EV manufacturers in North America.
June 2023: SAE announces its intent to standardize NACS.
End of 2023: SAE Hybrid-EV J3400 NACS Electric Vehicle Coupler Task Force publishes a TIR for J3400.
End of 2023 through early 2024: UL 2252 draft standard released and industry consensus period opens.
January–July 2024: J3400 Connector Design and Release phase begins, and the connector/EVSE System UL 2251 certification testing is performed.
January–October 2024: Adapter testing and validation phase anticipated to be completed.
May–October 2024: Certified J3400-CCS adapters anticipated to become available in the market.
Mid-2024: SAE J3400: NACS Electric Vehicle Coupler J3400 standard to be released.