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      08-05-2019, 09:21 AM   #89
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Big fan of Neil deGrasse Tyson, for many reasons, including this recent tweet:

Of course, the media is roasting him saying he's callous and such. The same media exploiting the recent mass shootings for calls for more gun bans. Hypocrites, much?
EH, but it is kind of out of touch because he's ignoring some major differences between the issues cited, and the shooters in El Paso, and possibly Dayton (no "manifesto" or direct motive yet).

Does a single car accident, or medical accident occur with the same intent as a nativism-motivated terrorist? Is the impact on the nation the same?
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mental illness isn't a factor in most mass shootings...

Like most talking points this is just another red herring.
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      08-05-2019, 10:23 AM   #91
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Like most talking points this is just another red herring.
then what is the factor? I dont know about the people you know, but Id say the overwhelming majority of sane people wouldnt go on a killing spree.

the dayton ohio guy was clearly off, and all the warning signs were there for him to be locked away, but of course, we dont want to hold the person responsible for his actions.

FFS he was expelled from school for writing a hit list and documenting what he wanted to do to his fellow classmates, and they let him off the hook because he apologized to the kids. And now the media is trying to paint a picture that he was bullied? Come fucking on.

When will people accept the fact that there are crazy mofos out there that dont deserve to be a part of normal, civilized society. This dude posted on twitter some violent and suggestive things, but of course no one actually cares until its too late.
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      08-05-2019, 10:29 AM   #92
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EH, but it is kind of out of touch because he's ignoring some major differences between the issues cited, and the shooters in El Paso, and possibly Dayton (no "manifesto" or direct motive yet).

Does a single car accident, or medical accident occur with the same intent as a nativism-motivated terrorist? Is the impact on the nation the same?
no but the end result is the same.

what he is speaking to is the irrational fear that is used to manipulate the masses to fit their agenda. They tell us this is going to keep happening until we do ______, while ignoring that you are more likely to die from a number of other things that no one even thinks are scary.

its close to actual terrorism, but they are not committing the acts, they are just using terror to advance their political agendas.
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      08-05-2019, 01:15 PM   #93
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When will people accept the fact that there are crazy mofos out there that dont deserve to be a part of normal, civilized society.
I call them Trump supporters.

P.S. If Republicans were serious about this talking point they would let CDC study the phenomenon. Problem is, the intelligent among them suspect that CDC will not find a correlation.
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I understand the reaction of some people wanting stricter gun control laws, but I don't think it's going to help much. The way I see it, the root cause of these shootings is not the ease of access to firearms. These shooters almost always tend to be angry, disenfranchised, young, (often) working-class men that have lost all hope and see no other way to get their voices heard. They've simply lost all hope.

Whether they're left-wing socialist bernie bros or right-wing white supremacist nationalists is besides the point. Neither "side" is immune to this.

Stricter gun control or outright banning them is, IMHO, just an unconstitutional band aid solution. These guys can also rent a big truck and run over as many people as they can.
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I call them Trump supporters.

P.S. If Republicans were serious about this talking point they would let CDC study the phenomenon. Problem is, the intelligent among them suspect that CDC will not find a correlation.
Is the standard applied evenly? The left set a standard they refuse to follow, was Warren responsible for Dayton, bernie for shooting up congressional softball games or Cortez for the ice facility attack using their words as basis for attacks? Trump isnt to blame. And neither are those mentioned. Some people are highly unstable and do dumb shit.
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Then they clearly should not be able to, in any eventuality gain access to a firearm. Since we have enough guns in the country for every man, women and child, that means every person of suspect mental health has a gun.
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Quit giving them fame, dont post their picture dont post their words.
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      08-05-2019, 02:01 PM   #100
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Then they clearly should not be able to, in any eventuality gain access to a firearm. Since we have enough guns in the country for every man, women and child, that means every person of suspect mental health has a gun.
Flawed gun ownership is around 50 percent if that? We didnt issue everyone a single gun.
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Is the standard applied evenly? The left set a standard they refuse to follow, was Warren responsible for Dayton, bernie for shooting up congressional softball games or Cortez for the ice facility attack using their words as basis for attacks? Trump isnt to blame. And neither are those mentioned. Some people are highly unstable and do dumb shit.
Did Elizabeth Warren laugh like Trump when at a rally a spectator yelled out to shoot immigrants ?

But republicans and nra are responsible for lax gun laws.
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Did Elizabeth Warren laugh like Trump when at a rally a spectator yelled out to shoot immigrants ?

But republicans and nra are responsible for lax gun laws.
Meanwhile democrat strong holds, with some of the toughest gun laws are also war zones. Let's take Chicago for example; tough gun laws and out of control gun violence.



But but but but Warren didn't laugh!! Warren is not responsible for Ohio just as Trump is not responsible for El Paso. The fact that you cannot stop blaming Trump for something he had absolutely nothing to do with means you do have some serious TDS.
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Did Elizabeth Warren laugh like Trump when at a rally a spectator yelled out to shoot immigrants ?

But republicans and nra are responsible for lax gun laws.
What do you consider to be lax gun laws?
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I call them Trump supporters.

P.S. If Republicans were serious about this talking point they would let CDC study the phenomenon. Problem is, the intelligent among them suspect that CDC will not find a correlation.
Oh, nice. Yeah, all Trump voters are clearly mentally disturbed.

It appears the Dayton shooter was definitely a god-fearing white supremicist Trump supporter, which clearly validates your theory.

Except he was none of those things, and your theory is full of shit.
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Oh, nice. Yeah, all Trump voters are clearly mentally disturbed.

It appears the Dayton shooter was definitely a god-fearing white supremicist Trump supporter, which clearly validates your theory.

Except he was none of those things, and your theory is full of shit.
Funny thing is the right tends to call out the fringe element within its ranks, while the left supports theirs (ANTIFA).
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What do you consider to be lax gun laws?
Based on Scott's past posts, anything other than a complete and total ban and confiscation is lax.
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And as the NRA line goes, I vote
. I don't particularly like the NRA, but I will continue to vote, and hopefully convince others to vote, for politicians who at the minimum pay lip service to the 2nd Amendment, and will never vote for a politician who vows to ban firearms, as the entire current crop of democrat candidates does.
You don't particularly like them, but as they vote (or recommend voting) you vote?
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I call them Trump supporters.

P.S. If Republicans were serious about this talking point they would let CDC study the phenomenon. Problem is, the intelligent among them suspect that CDC will not find a correlation.
you mean how like the dayton ohio guy was a very vocal anti trumper on social media and was very vocal about how everyone needs to vote democrat?
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What do you consider to be lax gun laws?
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Quit giving them fame, dont post their picture dont post their words.
Wouldn't it be easier to apply this to those who spew/peddle hate (irrespective of ideological following) in the first instance (i.e. the primary source), whether it's blatant or otherwise,......including Trump himself?
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