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      08-30-2021, 10:11 AM   #727
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There are probably dozens of things that we probably don't think about which would have to have been preplanned (and financed) to postpone the race another day ranging from team travel to simply having enough volunteer marshals on hand. It would be nice if F1 always included this contingency, but it's probably only realistic in a few places at certain parts of the schedule. That said, Spa is one of the highlights of the season and bad weather is not a rarity so they really should try harder there.
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Currently I have no idea . Didn't got news about the whole situation .

On the other hand : The Francorchamps circuit is going through difficult financial times .
Last year they didn't got incomes by the damn Covid pandemic ,last month the circuit was damaged by the floodings and now It's a bad moment as they planned circuit constructions regarding the safety at Raidillon/Eau Rouge .

Hopefully they are having deep pockets ..
Max is on the brink of receiving the half point to bring him to 200 as officially he got the fastest lap
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There are probably dozens of things that we probably don't think about which would have to have been preplanned (and financed) to postpone the race another day ranging from team travel to simply having enough volunteer marshals on hand. It would be nice if F1 always included this contingency, but it's probably only realistic in a few places at certain parts of the schedule. That said, Spa is one of the highlights of the season and bad weather is not a rarity so they really should try harder there.
My other thought was what if qualifying had that weather? Would they go with times from FP2 or FP3 if the morning practice was decent enough weather.

Or would quali be done Sunday morning and try to race that afternoon?

Lots of contingencies to consider.
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      08-30-2021, 02:46 PM   #731
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For those that live near Spa or are familiar with that region, is there a time of year in that part of Belgium where the rain chances are diminished?
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Since the FIA has determined how to award victory when the race has not occurred, perhaps this will be the new normal for other forms of competition at the highest level....football, American football, baseball, basketball, tennis, etc.

The FIA has the obligation to determine there is an unsafe condition and the event should not occur.


The FIA does not have the obligation or the right to determine a winner in an event that did not occur.
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For those that live near Spa or are familiar with that region, is there a time of year in that part of Belgium where the rain chances are diminished?
Don't think so.
Philippe can tell us all about this but the weather conditions in the Ardennes (Belgium) and neighbouring Eifel area (Germany - the Nordschleife is here located) are in my experience totally unpredictable and quite often wet.

I did my BMW M drivers training on a wet Nordschleife and it scared the shit out of me.
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Don't think so.
Philippe can tell us all about this but the weather conditions in the Ardennes (Belgium) and neighbouring Eifel area (Germany - the Nordschleife is here located) are in my experience totally unpredictable and quite often wet.

I did my BMW M drivers training on a wet Nordschleife and it scared the shit out of me.
OK, makes sense. I know the joke regarding Spa is "if you don't like the weather conditions, just wait ten minutes."
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An open invitation to the FIA:

Racing Flags 101....no, I'm not kidding.


Checkered Flag:
Signifies the end of the practice session, qualification attempt or race. The race leader is declared the winner.

Green Flag:
Signals the start of the practice session, qualification attempt or race and all restarts after a caution or red-flag period.

Yellow Flag:
The “caution flag,” signals hazardous conditions on the track, and cars must slow immediately, maintain position and yield to track safety vehicles until the green flag is displayed. During a qualification session, a qualification attempt is halted.

White Flag:
Displayed when the leader starts the final lap of the race. During qualifications, signals that driver has started final lap of qualification attempt.

Blue Flag:
The “passing flag,” signals slower cars to yield to faster with traffic.

Red Flag:
Signals that the race stops immediately, regardless of position of cars on the track.

Black Flag:
Directs a driver to proceed to the pits on the next lap and to consult with race officials.

Red and Yellow Flag:
Signals that oil, water or some other substance has made the track surface slippery.
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[B]An open invitation to the FIA:
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I don't think the FIA reads this forum....
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For those that live near Spa or are familiar with that region, is there a time of year in that part of Belgium where the rain chances are diminished?
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Don't think so.
Philippe can tell us all about this but the weather conditions in the Ardennes (Belgium) and neighbouring Eifel area (Germany - the Nordschleife is here located) are in my experience totally unpredictable and quite often wet.

I did my BMW M drivers training on a wet Nordschleife and it scared the shit out of me.
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OK, makes sense. I know the joke regarding Spa is "if you don't like the weather conditions, just wait ten minutes."
Positive . Yes I am ..

Well , actually I can write pages about this subject !

The Belgian Ardennes is the highest area and of course Spa-Francorchamps is part of it .
The last 2-3 year (summers) we've been hit heat waves and extreme droughts with lack of water .That's why we had very sunny F1 races . But this year we got extreme rainfall like 200 mm in 24 hours . I'm pretty sure you heard about the Belgian floodings ..
It was a disaster ! #NeverForget !

That's why this year Belgium and Spa is extremely wet . But in the Ardennes the weather was always very unpredictable and also in the past.
It has to do with the length of the valley and the 7 km length of the Francorchamps circuit . The length of the valley from beyond Stavelot to Francorchamps is +/- 17 km => post # 613
Forests are everywhere in the Belgian Ardennes and also in Francorchamps . That's why it has his own climate and weather as it can rain on one part of the track , and on the other side of the track it can be sunny !

I think it was in the summer of 2015 ,I drove on top at Stavelot and looked down over the valley and I saw that the forest was covered in a very dense fog .
10 min. later I drove in a wall of fog . It looked unreal ! Visibility zero (0) ! While I know the roads there very well , I had to step out of my car and walk over the road to the other side of the road to see what was written on the road signs !
My orientation ability was completely gone ! I was lost ...In a place that I know very well !
So yeah . Over here the weather (can) be very extreme ...And so also the rain on the Francorchamps track .
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Currently I have no idea . Didn't got news about the whole situation .

On the other hand : The Francorchamps circuit is going through difficult financial times .
Last year they didn't got incomes by the damn Covid pandemic ,last month the circuit was damaged by the floodings and now It's a bad moment as they planned circuit constructions regarding the safety at Raidillon/Eau Rouge .

Hopefully they are having deep pockets ..
Max should be given the half point.
https://racingnews365.com/who-got-th...max-verstappen
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We went mountainbiking on the track somewhere beginning of the nineties on holiday, nice.

Been there more than a handful of times , also 2013 F1 GP invited by Oris/Williams F1. Always 'good weather' as I recall.

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Max suggests GP races should start earlier.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...-rain/6657659/
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...-rain/6657659/
@6:00AM local time lol

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Latest flash I've just seen is that RBR have put in an official protest about Merc cheating with certain components but I can't get on the site.
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Latest flash I've just seen is that RBR have put in an official protest about Merc cheating with certain components but I can't get on the site.
All teams cheat. None of them ever think they are. The sloppy ones get caught.


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Some good news for teams with extra spending allowance for some events.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...bonus/6657722/
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All teams cheat. None of them ever think they are. The sloppy ones get caught.


F1 101.
Depends how they hide it.
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Currently I have no idea . Didn't got news about the whole situation .

On the other hand : The Francorchamps circuit is going through difficult financial times .
Last year they didn't got incomes by the damn Covid pandemic ,last month the circuit was damaged by the floodings and now It's a bad moment as they planned circuit constructions regarding the safety at Raidillon/Eau Rouge .

Hopefully they are having deep pockets ..
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Latest flash I've just seen is that RBR have put in an official protest about Merc cheating with certain components but I can't get on the site.
- Mercedes still runs with the flexible front wing.
- Mercedes has a new hidden PU cooling system to push more ponies .

Should be OK . The FIA clowns are sleeping anyway...
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