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I am cross shopping the iX, a Taycan 4S Cross Turismo (on waiting list), the Hummer 3X SUV (put down a $100 deposit), and a Rivian R1S. Prices ranging from $80k-$140k. The main issue right now is that there are so few directly comparable, good to drive BEVs out there. So yes, people are cross shopping the Taycan, i4 and probably Tesla.
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So that puts me in the 4S, I will still probably go with the 4S for the looks as well as the handling, but everything you get on the i4 for the money is hard to pass up. Yes, I could get more performance for less out of a Model 3P but I hate the interior with a passion and the build quality. I will still most likely go 4S, but I do want to drive the i4 M50 before I do.
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i4 is one class below size-wise but it weighs as much as Taycan. These 5K lb "sedans" are getting ridiculous. Weighs same as an X5 or a pickup truck.
Isn't the point of an EV to be efficient? Both of these need to lose about 1000lbs, which probably going to be not for another 5-10 years without better batteries.
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It’s better to match performance when doing a comparison test rather than price, that way you see whether one brand is focusing on certain aspect of it performance rather than as an overall performance package as is the case with the Taycan.
I have the i4M50 on order and my brother has the Taycan CT 4S on order (though at the rate it’s being delayed that could change). Having driven both now I can say that as a drivers car the Porsche wins this hands down, where as the gap between M4 and 911 might be a bit closer it’s not the case here, that said the i4M50 is a more relaxing drive so think of it as more like an M550i than an electric M3 and you are closer to the truth. Still an awesome car in my eyes. |
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Theyre obviously not trying to compare apples to apples, everyone else is doing that. Theyre basically saying 'So how does your i4 stack up against a better brand?' . Quite well as it happens. |
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I thought the comparison was interesting.
While I like the Taycan; it doesn't offer the same value proposition as the M50. I definitely get more than 80% of the Taycan for $40-50k less coin
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Then I read about the i4 M50, looked at the specs, and took a chance. If the market was right, I would have sprung for the 4S, but as is, the value proposition of the i4 M50 I couldn't pass up. Will it handle like the 4S? Likely not, but $69k vs $117k build for build, I'm fine with the trade-off. I don't use my current M4cs to its potential and really just drive back/forth to the grocery store thinking I needed a harder-core version of the M4 competition for a daily driver, turns out I don't.
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Autocar has the most boring content. That bearded guy has less personality than drying paint.
These cars have no pretentions of competing with one another and I doubt they are cross shopped. Two completely different vehicles at wildly different price points.
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I like Autocar's style - I just want a car review, not an entertaining video. They have been around for a long time (since 1895, believe it or not), and I used to be their magazine subscriber many years ago. They know about cars (and that's an understatement). If you want an entertaining video, then yes, you may like CarWow or some other "youtubers" better. |
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Really pointless. They say, an EV might come along with a longer range and drive faster and be cheaper (like the i4), but unless it drives as 'special' as this Taycan, the Taycan is the winner. Basically, take out range, speed, and price. Just get the best driving ICE car. It's an EV with zero range!
Also, as others have pointed out, the i4 and Taycan compete in different classes. |
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You folks got a lot of cars very cheaply for long time due to huge market, but chip shortage made it tricker to justify for car makers to keep bringing cars there and sell at discount to what they go for in Europe. (I mean at what dealers pay etc - in Europe you have also some markets cheaper, say Czech Republic will get a cheaper car compared to something like Latvia). Germany, price is better still. USA - very cheap in comparison. |
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Volume dictate prices. Lower volume means higher prices. Now Porsche may be screwing the US because they can get higher prices. That's fine, but given an alternative, iteans that Porsche may lose sales to other companies.
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