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      08-04-2019, 04:12 PM   #67
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This is getting out of hand, prayers do nothing, stop wasting breath saying that and actually do something ffs. Is there any state with a mental health check requirement before you can acquire a weapon? That would be a first step at least.
There's a whole continent across the pond with a similar 1st world society that doesn't have these problems (at least not on the level that the USA has) and have a different attitude against gun posession and especially gun carriage.
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Doesn't matter the political affiliations with these loonies, a nutter is a nutter whether of the red or blue variety. Ohio shooter appears to be a Dem:

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/breaki...dem-primaries/

But of course, the bomb throwers like that AOC lunatic are out spouting about "white supremacy" today and the reason we need to ban guns.
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There's a whole continent across the pond with a similar 1st world society that doesn't have these problems (at least not on the level that the USA has) and have a different attitude against gun posession and especially gun carriage.
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No, but they have some serious problems with truck attacks, knife attacks, and acid attacks. They also have some pretty serious governmental restrictions on free speech, and that's only getting worse.

In the link, the top 113 causes of death for 2017 in the US are listed. Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms is listed as 107. In other words, there are 106 other ways to die that are ahead of homicide by firearm, some of them far, far so. This 107th position includes all homicides by firearm, the vast majority of which are crimes other than mass shootings.

While any death is tragic, there are plenty of other things to concentrate on if we wish to reduce death int he United States. Additionally, reducing access to firearms has plenty of other consequences, including an increase in other means of homicide (as evidenced by the UK, with their knife and acid attacks), and also happens to be in direct violation of the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. Said Amendment is meant to be a limit on the powers of the government, and a check on the powers of an increasingly dictatorial government. I'm happy with the 2nd Amendment, and firmly believe that restricting it will result in much more serious consequences than the (possible) benefit might be worth.

And as the NRA line goes, I vote. I don't particularly like the NRA, but I will continue to vote, and hopefully convince others to vote, for politicians who at the minimum pay lip service to the 2nd Amendment, and will never vote for a politician who vows to ban firearms, as the entire current crop of democrat candidates does.
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No, but they have some serious problems with truck attacks, knife attacks, and acid attacks. They also have some pretty serious governmental restrictions on free speech, and that's only getting worse.

In the link, the top 113 causes of death for 2017 in the US are listed. Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms is listed as 107. In other words, there are 106 other ways to die that are ahead of homicide by firearm, some of them far, far so. This 107th position includes all homicides by firearm, the vast majority of which are crimes other than mass shootings.

While any death is tragic, there are plenty of other things to concentrate on if we wish to reduce death int he United States. Additionally, reducing access to firearms has plenty of other consequences, including an increase in other means of homicide (as evidenced by the UK, with their knife and acid attacks), and also happens to be in direct violation of the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. Said Amendment is meant to be a limit on the powers of the government, and a check on the powers of an increasingly dictatorial government. I'm happy with the 2nd Amendment, and firmly believe that restricting it will result in much more serious consequences than the (possible) benefit might be worth.

And as the NRA line goes, I vote. I don't particularly like the NRA, but I will continue to vote, and hopefully convince others to vote, for politicians who at the minimum pay lip service to the 2nd Amendment, and will never vote for a politician who vows to ban firearms, as the entire current crop of democrat candidates does.
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Us level-headed individuals are not in support of gun bans, but there needs to be more done regarding gun control.

It took the Ohio shooter less than 1 minute to kill 9 and injure over 20 before someone grabbed the gun barrel and police shot him. Less than a minute. I'm sure El Paso as a similar scenario. This is amount of quick mass death by a gun is nothing new. Vegas was the same way. Most were killed within the first minute.

I'm in support of bullet control. A gun is worthless without them and it would be far easier to control in an effort to keep them out of murderers, terrorists, and crazy peoples hands.
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The first sentence of the online rant posted on the 8chan message board expressed support for the man accused of killing 51 people at two New Zealand mosques in March after posting a 74-page document promoting a white supremacist conspiracy theory called "the great replacement." That theory, promoted by French writer Renaud Camus, argues there is a plot by elites to replace whites with non-white immigrants in Europe and around the world.
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Big fan of Neil deGrasse Tyson, for many reasons, including this recent tweet:

Of course, the media is roasting him saying he's callous and such. The same media exploiting the recent mass shootings for calls for more gun bans. Hypocrites, much?
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      08-04-2019, 05:52 PM   #75
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Doesn't matter the political affiliations with these loonies, a nutter is a nutter whether of the red or blue variety. Ohio shooter appears to be a Dem:

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/breaki...dem-primaries/

But of course, the bomb throwers like that AOC lunatic are out spouting about "white supremacy" today and the reason we need to ban guns.
Satanist as well.

I’m sure the media will label him a Christian trump supporter regardless.
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disturbing facts about the murderer.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/
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disturbing facts about the murderer.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/
From that aritcile:

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The El Paso shooter had a social media presence that indicated support for President Donald Trump and anti immigrant measures. Connor Betts’ Twitter page is very different; he indicates he’s a “leftist” and rails against QAnon, ICE, the industrial revolution, and police.
Insanity knows no political bounds and is not biased to either side.
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      08-04-2019, 08:55 PM   #78
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Anybody have the stats on alcohol-related auto crashes per day against mass shootings?

If people are itching to repeal an amendment, I suggest that the 21st Amendment be their target for the betterment of society.....
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ins...hooting-2019-8

“Where’s the good guy with a gun?”, well clearly right here helping children.
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A tragedy. Period. May the innocent RIP.

Not wanting to score points from this, but....



"No doubt"? Is that privilege (without there being any reported evidence) reserved for those who aren't Muslim, black, Hispanic, [...fill in the blanks yourselves....]?


I agree with the sentiments, but coming from yourself, sheer hypocrisy. If you take offence, you might wish to review some of your historical posts.
I stand by all my posts......and what I said here. I don't think the identity politics is a good thing. I have strong opinions but don't do the name calling. If you want to debate, I'm happy too.
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      08-04-2019, 09:38 PM   #81
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Under federal law you cannot purchase a firearm or posses one if you meet those two items.

I work for a DoD contractor and we have armed, uniformed personnel. No one works for us in an armed capacity unless the OKed by a psychiatrist via a MMPI II. People are disqualified regularly because of that.

Agree with all of that!
18 USC 922(d) makes it unlawful to sell to someone who has been in a mental institution. I am not aware of any federal law prohibiting someone who has been in a mental institution from possessing a firearm. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

On the other hand, each state has different laws regarding the mentally ill from possessing firearms.

Obama did enact regulations which would have allowed the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (which is used for gun sales) to access Social Security Administration data to determine if a potential purchaser had a mental health issue. Those regulations were repealed by Trump.
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No, but they have some serious problems with truck attacks, knife attacks, and acid attacks. They also have some pretty serious governmental restrictions on free speech, and that's only getting worse.
I'm not saying europe doesn't have other problems, but the problems here at hand, where people start mass shootings all over the country/continent, is not as big as an issue in Europe.
Also its very stupid and also pointless to try and resoning a problem away by pointing to other, non related problems. Only children do that as a means to forget about the problem at hand.
And the truck attack you are referring to is a terrorist attack. That is not the discussed problem at hand here, or should I remember you to a certain date in 2001?
Also I have to see the first knife attack where 1 or 2 people kill dozens of persons in a brief moment in public, so I have no idea what kind of unrelated point you're trying to make.

And I'm sure that the 'governmental restriction on free speech' is just as non existent where I live (NL) as where you live.

Also your link and reasoning that being murdered by a gun is 'only' on the 107th place of causes of deaths in that list and that therefore there are 106 ways that require more attention is completely inhumane.
In that list are all causes of death listed. As if dying from a cardiovascular disease at old age because you live unhealty is just as bad as being murdered in a mass shooting.
Seriously what are you thinking?!?
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Obama did enact regulations which would have allowed the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (which is used for gun sales) to access Social Security Administration data to determine if a potential purchaser had a mental health issue. Those regulations were repealed by Trump.
That rule never went into effect, and was opposed by groups ranging from the NRA, ACLU, and various disability advocate groups. It considered dangerous people who simply used representative payees to manage their finances. Keeping potentially dangerous things away from dangerous people is a noble cause, but that rule was not the way.
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let's see how quickly one of the shootings falls out of the news now that they have a profile on the shooter:

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/
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I'm in support of bullet control. A gun is worthless without them and it would be far easier to control in an effort to keep them out of murderers, terrorists, and crazy peoples hands.
OH my God..please say you are on a crack pipe when you said this. There are 270 million
guns in the U.S. and uncountable billions of bullets.

What in your world would be required to buy a bullet?????????????????????

I am sitting on pins and needles waiting.
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let's see how quickly one of the shootings falls out of the news now that they have a profile on the shooter:

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/
The hypocrisy is nauseating. The only steady principle is "attack President Trump."
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let's see how quickly one of the shootings falls out of the news now that they have a profile on the shooter:

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/
There you have it. Absolute sociopath that went ignored by 'the system'. It's time to attack this problem at the source.

That is your root problem everyone.
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Notice we haven't heard a single press report or politician refer to any of these recent murderers as a "lone wolf." Instead we're told quite the opposite; where these attackers are part of a racist ideology that is widespread. Contrast that with attacks by people outright profess loyalty to Islamic radicalism. I've actually seen news reports where asses claim entire groups of ISIS supporters are lone wolves. 🤦🏻*♂️ The bias really is disgusting.
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