500hp, 516tq 4.4l

hotrod182 · 04-12-2007, 12:52 AM

Look at the size of the intercooler. Puts out more HP than a AMG E55 with about a liter less displacement! BMW Engineering. 500HP on 91 pump gas, totally smooth and quiet.

CASHBY · 04-12-2007, 01:02 AM

thats the B7 Alpina 7series....its at the crevier dealership on their show room floor.

in person..... its ugly and Id still rather rock a Audi A8 W12

younghov85 · 04-12-2007, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CEA 3

thats the B7 Alpina 7series....its at the crevier dealership on their show room floor.

in person..... its ugly and Id still rather rock a Audi A8 W12

I agree the A8 is the best big body sedan on the market.

CASHBY · 04-12-2007, 01:15 AM

yea.... and dont forget the S8...even though the 335 can beat it... you cant beat having a low 13 second luxury...and im mean luxury... beast!!

Audi honestly OWNS BMW when it comes to luxury performance....true luxury performance... not compariing 3 series to A4's... personally an A4 is better than any 3 series (besides 335) hands down with now question about it!

Zeiss · 04-12-2007, 01:21 AM

Sorry, B7> A8

cupspeed · 04-12-2007, 02:32 AM

The car is damn fast!!

A friend told me that his buddies Shelby 500 upgraded to 750hp got smoked by it. They tried it from a standstill, roll...the mustang just could not win

Walked U · 04-12-2007, 03:09 AM

Ew id rather have an e55

hotrod182 · 04-12-2007, 08:02 AM

Still, the B7 is rated at 4.8 sec 0-60 by BMW, which is probably conservative. So pretty quick for a big luxocruiser. And decent MPG too...15/23. Thats about the same MPG rating as my M3, but has 170 more horsepower, and weighs 1000lbs more, that is a pretty good accomplishment.

anerbe · 04-12-2007, 04:02 PM

I see a big difference between this Alpina and the Mercs - The Mercs are much more mass production, while the Alpina is more specialty.

That Charge air cooler is mighty expensive compared to a Merc w/ plastic end tanks - also, the mercs are known to get high heat soak, with big gains by going with a larger aftermarket Charge air Cooler. You'd be able to run more boost as well.

You also have to balance the rest of the cooling system - Alpina and some of these specialty tuning companies don't care about AC performance, as this front mounted heat exchanger reduces airflow and heats the inlet air to the condenser. Mercedes has targets to keep with their AC, so they most likely didn't go this route as well.

To summarize, it isn't necessarily BMW engineering is better than Mercedes engineering.........it's a lot to do with cost and what they want out of the car. The technology is definitely there for both companies. I'll bet that the 5.5L Merc engine has gone thru much more R&D testing than that BMW, as it's in thousands of vehicles on the road with no issues.

1clean335i · 04-12-2007, 04:32 PM

thats not the intercooler you showed....

itsbrokeagain · 04-12-2007, 05:02 PM

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thats not the intercooler you showed....

He showed the top of it. It actually sits right in the top there, but its very thick.

We got ours in black as well. It got sold 2 days later. My sales guy (Joe Cavero of Hassel) was the lucky guy who delivered it. Big props to him..

daves335i · 04-12-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CEA 3

yea.... and dont forget the S8...even though the 335 can beat it... you cant beat having a low 13 second luxury...and im mean luxury... beast!!

Audi honestly OWNS BMW when it comes to luxury performance....true luxury performance... not compariing 3 series to A4's... personally an A4 is better than any 3 series (besides 335) hands down with now question about it!

I gotta agree with you. Loving my 335i, but I feel that Audi has better quality and luxury, but you pay for it. About 15%-20% more I'd say. (ie 335i compared to S4).

fusionchicken · 04-13-2007, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Walked U

Ew id rather have an e55

+1 e55 ftmfw. those things are so sick..

hks786 · 04-13-2007, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CEA 3

yea.... and dont forget the S8...even though the 335 can beat it... you cant beat having a low 13 second luxury...and im mean luxury... beast!!

Audi honestly OWNS BMW when it comes to luxury performance....true luxury performance... not compariing 3 series to A4's... personally an A4 is better than any 3 series (besides 335) hands down with now question about it!

+1 !

TonyLukes3 · 04-13-2007, 08:56 AM

I not really a big fan of the bodywork on that car, but I've always loved those classic Alpina wheels

shipill · 04-13-2007, 05:41 PM

No 7 for me , I Prefer AMG

RaptorKTM · 04-13-2007, 05:46 PM

id take the Audi S8 over this

wuufer001 · 04-17-2007, 09:07 PM

S8 or S AMG for me

ALPINE6SPD · 04-20-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CEA 3

thats the B7 Alpina 7series....its at the crevier dealership on their show room floor.

in person..... its ugly and Id still rather rock a Audi A8 W12

Audi W12 is no faster than a 750 and handles worse. I like the Audi but the Alpina is far from ugly. Plus it holds it value. The A8 resale is TERRIBLE.

pokerface · 04-20-2007, 07:56 PM

the only thing I dislike about the B7 are those 21 inch rims.. look like SUV on one I saw on the street unless it was hydraulically raised at the time (does it even have that feature?)

E90330iS · 04-22-2007, 05:02 AM

Yeah.. Alpina styling needs time to grow on us. It already grow on me kind of, it is very classy!

nine49kid · 04-22-2007, 06:23 AM

yeah i think id take an S8 over the B7

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CASHBY 168 Rep 2,114 Posts Drives: E90 335 "done up" Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: GARAGE iTrader: (2)	yea.... and dont forget the S8...even though the 335 can beat it... you cant beat having a low 13 second luxury...and im mean luxury... beast!! Audi honestly OWNS BMW when it comes to luxury performance....true luxury performance... not compariing 3 series to A4's... personally an A4 is better than any 3 series (besides 335) hands down with now question about it!
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hotrod182 . 822 Rep 3,980 Posts Drives: 2023 i4 M50 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California iTrader: (0)	Still, the B7 is rated at 4.8 sec 0-60 by BMW, which is probably conservative. So pretty quick for a big luxocruiser. And decent MPG too...15/23. Thats about the same MPG rating as my M3, but has 170 more horsepower, and weighs 1000lbs more, that is a pretty good accomplishment.
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anerbe Lieutenant Colonel 121 Rep 1,568 Posts Drives: Red E90M 6MT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: BH, MI iTrader: (2)	I see a big difference between this Alpina and the Mercs - The Mercs are much more mass production, while the Alpina is more specialty. That Charge air cooler is mighty expensive compared to a Merc w/ plastic end tanks - also, the mercs are known to get high heat soak, with big gains by going with a larger aftermarket Charge air Cooler. You'd be able to run more boost as well. You also have to balance the rest of the cooling system - Alpina and some of these specialty tuning companies don't care about AC performance, as this front mounted heat exchanger reduces airflow and heats the inlet air to the condenser. Mercedes has targets to keep with their AC, so they most likely didn't go this route as well. To summarize, it isn't necessarily BMW engineering is better than Mercedes engineering.........it's a lot to do with cost and what they want out of the car. The technology is definitely there for both companies. I'll bet that the 5.5L Merc engine has gone thru much more R&D testing than that BMW, as it's in thousands of vehicles on the road with no issues.
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