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      02-27-2019, 12:59 PM   #111
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How many of you guys do cardio AFTER you lift? I read somewhere that you're not lifting hard enough if you still have energy for cardio afterwards, but everyone's goals are different I suppose. What are the benefits of post-lift cardio?
I usually do cardio after weights, but on some days i simply do not have the energy.

So yes, i would agree with that statement.
Would definitely agree with that.
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      02-27-2019, 01:17 PM   #112
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So, much like with proper mechanics lifting, I'm finding sometimes while running I just need to stop, walk for a bit, and get a decent/good form back. My time may suffer, but my joints will thank me afterwards.

In general, do you want to hear a simple bit of advice when you are working out, if someone is observing your form? I can't decide whether or not to offer it up when I am right next to people.
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      02-27-2019, 01:54 PM   #113
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I don’t want to hear anything, especially when my ear buds are in and I’m in the zone. Breaking out of that zone, pausing my music and popping an ear bud pisses me off royally. Hard enough to do that when I run into a friend at the gym let alone someone with “YouTube” advice.
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      02-27-2019, 01:55 PM   #114
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And for this reason I bite my tongue when observing bad form.
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What's a good point to stop cutting?

I started at 180 lbs, 17% BF and am now at 171 lbs after 4 weeks. Maintained most of my strength but definitely feel smaller. It was necessary as I got rekkt in the fall and winter from a lot of travel and subsequent weight gain.
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      02-27-2019, 03:26 PM   #116
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^Agree with Rudi.

Light cardio before I lift to warm up, heavy cardio following my lift. Only time I agree with OPs second statement is on leg day, and even then I do cardio. Any other day if "you don't have enough energy to cardio because you lifted too hard" then that is nothing but an excuse not to do cardio. You could do it, you could give it your all, but you're too tired? Just a bunch of bullshit lol.
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      02-27-2019, 04:01 PM   #117
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How bout I dont wanna, priority x10 goes to weights or I'm bored and wanna waste time I will do a bit of cardio.
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How bout I dont wanna, priority x10 goes to weights or I'm bored and wanna waste time I will do a bit of cardio.
I’m with 1MM, other then a 3-5 min warm up strength comes first. I knock out my big stuff and focus my energy on that. I finish my training with some sort of Metabolic conditioning.

I will work in certain training days that are purely conditioning sessions and even active recovery days. Track day (sprints) swim day, weighted vest runs (2-5 miles). Variety is key for me.
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      02-27-2019, 06:07 PM   #119
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after a good heavy leg workout I do about 15 min of cardio whether it's the treadmill, elyptical or running around the track. I forgot who I got that from but it suppose to help with a leg workout recovery that way you're not sore as f the next day.

on a side note had a pretty awesome shoulder workout where my shoulders felt like the skin was gonna explode!
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What's a good point to stop cutting?

I started at 180 lbs, 17% BF and am now at 171 lbs after 4 weeks. Maintained most of my strength but definitely feel smaller. It was necessary as I got rekkt in the fall and winter from a lot of travel and subsequent weight gain.
Honestly....it depends on where you want to be at. That's where an extra pair of eyes come in....from an honest friend, etc. What's your BF now? If you've maintained strength...then your doing it correctly. I would continue cutting until I saw a distinctive change in strength levels.

My limit in the off season is 12%. I carry my bodyfat evenly distributed, so at 12% I have a "4-pack" and the line of my obliques showing.

I think everyone should get to at least 10% or less at least once, then you can set your bulk / cut schedule according to that. The first time is the hardest. But when I'm in a gaining mode, I make sure all I can physically pinch is subcutaneous fat.

With me...12% in the winter and around 7% in the summer. I feel like you should always be within your preferred lean look with only 6-8 weeks of dieting.

You're going to feel smaller....everyone does. I always feel smaller when cutting, but often get told it looks like I'm gaining weight or putting on more muscle.

It's an illusion and a mind game for sure.
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      02-27-2019, 06:16 PM   #121
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How many of you guys do cardio AFTER you lift? I read somewhere that you're not lifting hard enough if you still have energy for cardio afterwards, but everyone's goals are different I suppose. What are the benefits of post-lift cardio?

When bulking, I do about 15 minutes of HIIT cardio before my workout. It warms me up, plus wakes me up as I go around 3:30am.

When cutting, I save cardio for their own separate days as I'm not wanting to do anything that cuts into my weight training session.
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      02-28-2019, 10:36 AM   #122
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Also, to add to what Rmtt said, it is never a good idea to do cardio before a workout (unless strength gain is not your goal). I always reserve walking, jogging (SSIT, or HIIT) for last. But with extremely heavy lifting I have found running hampers my recovery. But we are are built differently; so I'd try running at the end of the work out, and change it up after sometime if you like the idea of running before lifting.
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      02-28-2019, 10:56 AM   #123
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I don’t want to hear anything, especially when my ear buds are in and I’m in the zone. Breaking out of that zone, pausing my music and popping an ear bud pisses me off royally. Hard enough to do that when I run into a friend at the gym let alone someone with “YouTube” advice.
I'm not talking about "you need to move your wrist 2" out, then bring in your hips and push there." I just want to tell some of the younger ones I see, doing ANY standing lift with their knees locked, to break that knee and take the weight in their thighs, to protect their back.

Oh, and when I started lifting, only DARPA had access to the internet
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      02-28-2019, 11:59 AM   #124
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When bulking, I do about 15 minutes of HIIT cardio before my workout. It warms me up, plus wakes me up as I go around 3:30am.

When cutting, I save cardio for their own separate days as I'm not wanting to do anything that cuts into my weight training session.
Exactly my approach to it too. Except I keep HIIT for off days and walk on a treadmill for 5 mins to warm up.
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      02-28-2019, 12:10 PM   #125
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On the topic of gloves .... I wear a pair when doing upper-body lifts except pull-ups. Most of the folks I see at my gym do not wear them so about a month ago I even googled to see if gloves were "no longer a thing", saw a few opinions across the board and figured who cares, I'll continue to wear mine. Yesterday however after reading this thread, I decided to give it a try and do my incline db press w/o gloves ... The db knurls were so deep and abrasive, I could not do a single push because I'd have to have one big ass callus on my whole palm not to feel it.

Hats off to you folks who do not use gloves.
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      02-28-2019, 12:17 PM   #126
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Medium reps, medium weight, never go to failure. Work out 90-120 minutes everyday for over 20 years now, never sore. It's the reps and volume, every day (farmers' strength). Heavy weights stroke egos and wreck bodies. Nobody will ever convince me that you go to failure on every workout and take days off, and I think the crossfit guys are completely out of their minds.



What are gloves btw lol.
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On the topic of gloves .... I wear a pair when doing upper-body lifts except pull-ups. Most of the folks I see at my gym do not wear them so about a month ago I even googled to see if gloves were "no longer a thing", saw a few opinions across the board and figured who cares, I'll continue to wear mine. Yesterday however after reading this thread, I decided to give it a try and do my incline db press w/o gloves ... The db knurls were so deep and abrasive, I could not do a single push because I'd have to have one big ass callus on my whole palm not to feel it.

Hats off to you folks who do not use gloves.
Zam....try hand covers instead of gloves. Gymnast use them. Also a lot of CrossFit ppl use them. I have a few pairs for doing anything high rep on pull up bar. But they will work for regular lifts also. They will let you hands breath more and are thinner then gloves.
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Medium reps, medium weight, never go to failure. Work out 90-120 minutes everyday for over 20 years now, never sore. It's the reps and volume, every day (farmers' strength). Heavy weights stroke egos and wreck bodies. Nobody will ever convince me that you go to failure on every workout and take days off, and I think the crossfit guys are completely out of their minds.



What are gloves btw lol.
I agree to a point (see below).....but disagree about heavy weights wrecking bodies. If you have a program that you follow that progressively allows you to add weight to the bar over a period of time, you will build up to some decent amount of weight.

In my mind, heavy weight with bad exercise form and not training the assisting muscles is what causes injuries. What is considered heavy for one guy may be considered light for someone else.

I've been training 20+ years now as well. In my prime I have squatted and deadlifted 5 plates + change, benched 4 plates, and I have never had an injury. Plus I'm probably one of the best looking 45 years old you might see if carrying any appreciable muscle is your "thing"!

But seriously, as long as you are happy with your approach...more power to you. I personally like to test my limits and would put my functional strength against anyone in a contest.

I will admit as I have gotten older, I have cut back the weight some and increased the reps, but my program is still centered around progression...this time with volume instead of amount of weight.

For example...this morning my last set of Bench was 295 X 10. But in a few weeks I will be back in the 3-5 rep range, and continue doing what I have been doing for the last 10+ years that actually made a change in my body's appearance.

It isn't the 405lb single I did a few years ago, but using a rep calculator puts my 1RM theoretically at 393 lbs.

I agree about Crossfit. Most of these people doing this type of training never got a proper introduction to training with weights and learning how to set their body up to properly work out. To me that's an injury waiting to happen.
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Back on the glove topic? Like I said earlier in this thread im just not a fan of the look. I understand their function, but half the time people just wear the gear to look the part.

I know a few people mentioned keeping their hands soft for business, I'm a little stumped by this one. I contribute rough hands to hard work, soft hands obviosulty the opposite. Maybe I just dont have proper business etiquett?

That said my line of work isn't 100% business oriented, but I constantly meet with vendors, contractors, etc.
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Back on the glove topic? Like I said earlier in this thread im just not a fan of the look. I understand their function, but half the time people just wear the gear to look the part.

I know a few people mentioned keeping their hands soft for business, I'm a little stumped by this one. I contribute rough hands to hard work, soft hands obviosulty the opposite. Maybe I just dont have proper business etiquett?

That said my line of work isn't 100% business oriented, but I constantly meet with vendors, contractors, etc.
Same here....I have never worn gloves. Oddly enough...my hands aren't overly rough and I have put them through hell.
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I need a fourth exercise to round out my cable pull-downs for lats. I do behind the head, in front, and a stiff-armed while standing.
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      02-28-2019, 03:48 PM   #132
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Bent row, t bar row, dont do all your back moves in the same plane. I do low pull, mid and high every time I do back.

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