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      08-10-2022, 03:14 AM   #1
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F1 2022: Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps (Aug 28)


Because of the curtailed 2021 race through bad weather, winner Max received half points at Spa.
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It is now known that for the Spa race Ferrari will be replacing their hybrid system, details here.
https://racingnews365.com/ferrari-to...inz-in-belgium
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Here's the schedule:
https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2022/Belgium.html

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It is now known that for the Spa race Ferrari will be replacing their hybrid system, details here.
https://racingnews365.com/ferrari-to...inz-in-belgium
Won't help much when the ICE blows up
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•Racing on public roads !
•No run off areas !
•No seatbelts !
•No medical facilities !
•Torrential rain !
•Mistakes come at a price !

Welcome to the 'Old Spa-Francorchamps F1 circuit in 1966 !




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•Racing on public roads !
•No run off areas !
•No seatbelts !
•No medical facilities !
•Torrential rain !
•Mistakes come at a price !

Welcome to the 'Old Spa-Francorchamps F1 circuit in 1966 !

It was high risk every time they got into those cars without the safety systems they have in place now but look how the present cars have grown to twice the size.
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It was high risk every time they got into those cars without the safety systems they have in place now but look how the present cars have grown to twice the size.
Yeah . Big b@lls were required to drive with these killer machines .
It was more like a fight to keep the cars on track ...
The Belgian driver Jacky Ickx said : When I think back at the dangerous risks that I took , It's actually a miracle that I survived it !

Personal I drove often with my ///M on these roads from in the videos at Spa-Francorchamps , It's really amazing over there in the Belgian Ardennes .
It's on my planning for in September to let my S65 scream again !
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•Racing on public roads !
•No run off areas !
•No seatbelts !
•No medical facilities !
•Torrential rain !
•Mistakes come at a price !

Welcome to the 'Old Spa-Francorchamps F1 circuit in 1966 !


'66 or '67... the last year before downforce. 4 wheel drift and such.

Those cars were magic, but it was a horribly dangerous affair.
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Yeah . Big b@lls were required to drive with these killer machines .
It was more like a fight to keep the cars on track ...
The Belgian driver Jacky Ickx said : When I think back at the dangerous risks that I took , It's actually a miracle that I survived it !

Personal I drove often with my ///M on these roads from in the videos at Spa-Francorchamps , It's really amazing over there in the Belgian Ardennes .
It's on my planning for in September to let my S65 scream again !
Ickx had many close calls, even in sports cars it was just as dangerous and he was fortunate to walk away when Bellof hit him from behind at Eau Rouge with the German perishing as seen in the shocking vid that Artemis put on.
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Ickx had many close calls, even in sports cars it was just as dangerous and he was fortunate to walk away when Bellof hit him from behind at Eau Rouge with the German perishing as seen in the shocking vid that Artemis put on.
Indeed my friend . Ickx is still a living race legend . His record of achievements is unseen !

The 'New Spa-Francorchamps circuit looks fantastic !

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Indeed my friend . Ickx is still a living race legend . His record of achievements is unseen !

The 'New Spa-Francorchamps circuit looks fantastic !
Whoever in some office wanted to get rid of Spa as a GP circuit ought to be named and shamed. Spa is the longest track out of all of them at a whisker over 7 kms.
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Spa is a fantastic old track but was lacking in some safety aspects. When I was living in Bitburg area I would venture there to see F1 as well as Hockemheim/Nurburg depending on the year.
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Ickx had many close calls, even in sports cars it was just as dangerous and he was fortunate to walk away when Bellof hit him from behind at Eau Rouge with the German perishing as seen in the shocking vid that Artemis put on.
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Prior to Bellof's fatal crash at Eau Rouge (Spa-Francorchamps) on September 1, 1985 (a bold overtaking maneuver on multiple champion Jacky Ickx that went horribly wrong), Bellof had already signed a contract for the 1986 F1 season with Ferrari. A very promising future that never happened. He was 27.

The 1985 Eau Rouge crash seen from the cockpit of Jacky Ickx:
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Here you go:
Ickx was hit from the left rear and it can be seen he saved himself from going head on into barrier (like Bellof did) by quick steering reaction to the right and then left.
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Ickx was hit from the left rear and it can be seen he saved himself from going head on into barrier (like Bellof did) by quick steering reaction to the right and then left.
The 1985 Ickx-Bellof crash at Spa-Francorchamps was controversial: most agree that multiple champion Jacky Ickx had the racing line and that Stefan Bellof tried to overtake his main rival at Eau Rouge with a bold maneuver on the left. Some say that Ickx drove the racing line followed by a racing incident, some say that Ickx 'closed the door' for Bellof, some say that Bellof was way too confident to pull off that bold move.

True that it was very ambitious of Bellof to try this tricky maneuver on his very experienced main rival, in the most daunting section of the circuit (actually, one of the most daunting sections of any circuit worldwide), in front of the rival's home audience. The ingredients for a crash were present - the tension between Ickx and Bellof was palpable. The tailgating lasted only three laps. It ended with a drama, claiming the life of likely the most talented race driver of Germany since decades.

Maybe part of the answer is that Bellof fearlessly pushed the envelope too hard when racing. Flirting with the thin line separating 'on the limit' from 'over the limit', close to the edge of recklessness. If the 'elbows out' overtaking maneuver by Bellof at Eau Rouge had been successful, it would have been considered 'big balls'. OK, he would neither have been the first nor the last to overtake on the left at Eau Rouge, but the 'youngster' trying to outfox Ickx in his 'backyard', was like a war declaration - things got too personal.

Throughout his long racing career, Ickx witnessed many race drivers perish in crashes. Back in the day, way too many tragic accidents happened. I believe to recall an interview where Ickx said that he was very lucky to have survived his racing career.

By the way, the age difference between Ickx and Bellof was 13 years. The age difference between Hamilton and Verstappen is 12 years. Beware with aggressively challenging a main rival at his home race.

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The 1985 Ickx-Bellof crash at Spa-Francorchamps was controversial: most agree that multiple champion Jacky Ickx had the racing line and that Stefan Bellof tried to overtake his main rival at Eau Rouge with a bold maneuver on the left. Some say that Ickx drove the racing line followed by a racing incident, some say that Ickx 'closed the door' for Bellof, some say that Bellof was way too confident to pull off that bold move.

True that it was very ambitious of Bellof to try this tricky maneuver on his very experienced main rival, in the most daunting section of the circuit (actually, one of the most daunting sections of any circuit worldwide), in front of the rival's home audience. The ingredients for a crash were present - the tension between Ickx and Bellof was palpable. The tailgating lasted only three laps. It ended with a drama, claiming the life of likely the most talented race driver of Germany since decades.

Maybe part of the answer is that Bellof fearlessly pushed the envelope too hard when racing. Flirting with the thin line separating 'on the limit' from 'over the limit', close to the edge of recklessness. If the 'elbows out' overtaking maneuver by Bellof at Eau Rouge had been successful, it would have been considered 'big balls'. OK, he would neither have been the first nor the last to overtake on the left at Eau Rouge, but the 'youngster' trying to outfox Ickx in his 'backyard', was like a war declaration - things got too personal.

Throughout his long racing career, Ickx witnessed many race drivers perish in crashes. Back in the day, way too many tragic accidents happened. I believe to recall an interview where Ickx said that he was very lucky to have survived his racing career.

By the way, the age difference between Ickx and Bellof was 13 years. The age difference between Hamilton and Verstappen is 12 years. Beware with aggressively challenging a main rival at his home race.
If he had survived to be in the '86 Ferrari team he probably would have replaced Johanssen rather than Alboreto.
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There's just absolutely no discussion or debate. Spa-Francorchamps is the greatest race track of all time.
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There's just absolutely no discussion or debate. Spa-Francorchamps is the greatest race track of all time.
Ohhhh....YES !

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Ohhhh....YES !
How did Rao who used to work for Wolff get into FIA ah of course with tots influence, immediately she tipped of Merc about an anti bounce measure and the floor measuring contraption being implemented at Spa is only a 'proposal' what a laugh, cheats never prosper.
Most of the teams are against what she has done undoing all their millions of dollars work for '23 and she should leave as quickly as she joined.
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Huh. No way that's a wom@n in the video.
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Huh. No way that's a wom@n in the video.
I noticed that too
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