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Are you able to navigate on autopilot on the BMW ? Meaning put a location and it will take you there at least till you get out of the freeway? |
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There really isn't a production quality self driving system that works off-highway, from anyone yet that I'm aware of. Teslas is getting better with time but more of a novelty to enjoy testing than something you trust. I think most car companies are more conservative, so we won't see something from them until it doesn't require a waiver. Or maybe driving assistants will always require a waiver, but something less beta, if they do release something. |
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08-10-2022, 10:08 AM | #26 | |
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Remember that the production shipping Tesla software has caveats all over the place about which parts of it are beta, and where you are supposed to use it (NOT OFF HIGHWAY). If you however are part of the Beta FSD program because you 1) paid $$$ 2) passed the beta safety score entry criteria 3) were actually selected and 4) do not get booted from program due to disengagements or posting negative things on social media... Then yes you will get access to the special Beta FSD which while it works on non-highways, is unstable version to version and frequently worse. These people are in the minority of Tesla owners, ~100K out of about 2M total sales, so only 5% of drivers. Anyone else using their Tesla Autopilot on non-highways are deluding themselves about what their car is actually capable of and putting themselves & others in danger, especially if they are not proactively monitoring very carefully. Arguably the Beta drivers are also a danger, but with Musk's explicit rather than just implicit blessing. The traditional automakers are not going to push the legal envelope the way Tesla has. This is probably for the best, and Tesla is going to likely face a crackdown in the next year or two. |
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08-10-2022, 11:41 AM | #27 | |
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On the other hand, we drove the iX from the dealership to our house (500miles approx) with driver assistance on for majority of the drive with confidence and without any incidents! Tesla autopilot is marketing more than anything and in its current form, probably dangerous. |
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I know an unpopular opinion. If you want auto pilot ride the bus. There are just way too many obstacles on the road, (cars, people, hazards) etc to trust in AP. Airplanes on the other hand have a lot more space around them and don't have to deal with potholes or pedestrians or bicycles around them.
Also, if there is an accident, are you going to have the victim sue your AP or are they going to sue you? |
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08-10-2022, 01:52 PM | #29 | |
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Current hardware imaging/sensing/computing suite is clearly not capable, nevermind whatever software approach. I don't think even in 5 years we are any closer to FSD being "within 5 years". The only maker expressing strong confidence in their product is MB taking on liability for cars using their assist mode below 45mph in Germany. I'll believe Tesla's hype when they are the ones in court / footing the bill when the car crashes itself. |
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08-10-2022, 02:10 PM | #30 | |
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I don't have FSD beta, but I do have FSD option. With Tesla devs focused on the new FSD stack, highway driving experience did not improve since 2020 and sometimes feels like it's gotten even worse. My biggest gripes with Tesla autopilot: - Too aggressive accelerating and braking. BMW is much smoother. - Disengages steering completely and abruptly when you take over steering to avoid a pothole or just slightly move over for a passing motorcycle, for instance. - Loud and annoying chimes when engaging/disengaging even in "joe mode". |
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08-11-2022, 08:47 AM | #31 | |
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Our roads here are bad especially right after winter and there is plenty of small corrections that need to be applied. It not only was annoying that it does not tolerate these slight corrections and ends up disengaging, but in order to make the correction you have to torque the wheel a decent amount and when it disengages, their system stops "fighting" your attempt to correct it and you end up jerking the wheel. The BMW system is much smoother by comparison and I ended up turning it off on the model 3 halfway to my destination because it was too annoying. |
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The safest way I found to disengage was a brake tap which disengaged all steering/speed control, make whatever maneuver I need to, and then re-engage both with the stalk. Of course on the model 3 you have to look over to the center screen to understand what ADAS is still enabled between TACC/AP/NoAP/FSD, etc.. Feels much smoother in iX, plus more situational awareness with the dashboard + HUD. |
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I ended up just using the right stalk to disengage if I anticipate a steering correction. I did use brake tap initially but I didn't want to confuse/annoy people driving behind me.
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Sorry y'all was a little busy with work. I'll answer all the questions now: I would say FSD constantly disengaged, freaked out and panicked. When it worked, it was lovely, but the constant issues were annoying...especially in stop and go, as the Tesla would hard accelerate and hard brake with small movements in the traffic pattern. |
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Price difference
Yeah for sure it's quite a price difference...I bought my Tesla for around 55k, and the iX as equipped was 96...but I sold two vehicles (my old Porsche Boxster S that I barely drove anymore) and am now in a single car
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So interestingly enough, there is now an option which allows for some lane changing during navigation and driving assistant active, which is rather cool...think autopilot on nav "lite". It doesn't actively move lanes often, but does it often enough that its handy. Also, it'll constantly warn you to disengage or watch road conditions while doing so (on the heads-up display) |
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