[Paladin1]

Originally Posted by MAMOHT

But with iX you have to double park and the charging speed will be very slow.

The iX should charge up tp 195 kW if it's available, just as it does now at any CCS station so rated.

[MAMOHT]

Does not seem to be the case now. Maybe those v4 Superchargers will do it. And have longer cables as well.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by MAMOHT

But with iX you have to double park and the charging speed will be very slow.

Charging speeds may be fast. Looks like the new adapters are rated for 500A. The Magic Dock stations are slow because the Magic Dock adapters are limited to 350 A.

But yeah, BMW's location of the charging port is a bummer. At least it is slightly better than the idiot manufacturers who located the ports between the axles... WTH were they thinking, am I right?

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by MAMOHT

But with iX you have to double park and the charging speed will be very slow.

The magic dock SC locations seem to be removing the 350amp limitation on the magic dock so we should be good until BMW releases an 800v battery. Then we'll have to wait for v4 power cabinets and not just v4 dispensers that are connected to v3 cabinets. And, I've run into a few v2 sites that will simply not work which will be fun to see how people deal with those.

The double parking will continue to be an issue until there are longer cables. CCS cars can/should part next to each other so only one space is lost but given how densely packed most SC (or CCS) sites are, this will be difficult in many cases.

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by MAMOHT

But with iX you have to double park and the charging speed will be very slow.

I understand the double park issue at some Tesla Superchargers (unless cables are extended) but I don’t understand why charging would be slow….enlighten me please.

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

But yeah, BMW's location of the charging port is a bummer. At least it is slightly better than the idiot manufacturers who located the ports between the axles... WTH were they thinking, am I right?

Passenger side ports make lots of sense when street side charging a LHD vehicle which is common in the EU. Not to mention I like not opening my door into a dispenser if the port is on the driver side and the charging station is setup in a pull through configuration.

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by Windshieldfarmer

I understand the double park issue at some Tesla Superchargers (unless cables are extended) but I don’t understand why charging would be slow….enlighten me please.

Magic Dock adapter sites were initially limited to 350amps which means our 400v batteries would only see 140kW (Max).

Other cars that use 800v batteries (like the Q6, Tycan, EV6, etc.) will have to use their onboard converter to step up the voltage since the v3 Supercharger sites are limited to 500v. This will result in very slow charging but it's vehicle dependent.

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by Pictor

Magic Dock adapter sites were initially limited to 350amps which means our 400v batteries would only see 140kW (Max).

Other cars that use 800v batteries (like the Q6, Tycan, EV6, etc.) will have to use their onboard converter to step up the voltage since the v3 Supercharger sites are limited to 500v. This will using result in very slow charging but it's vehicle dependent.

Thank you…that helps.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by Pictor

Passenger side ports make lots of sense when street side charging a LHD vehicle which is common in the EU. Not to mention I like not opening my door into a dispenser if the port is on the driver side and the charging station is setup in a pull through configuration.

I have read a few folks say that that and never agreed. I have never liked cars with gas fill on the passenger side - always has been an inconvenience to me. It is an extra PITA in a garage when charging at home. IMHO, dumb.

But, the really dumb part is a port on the side in general. It should be either in rear or on the nose. Nose is easier. They located it with a legacy ICEV mindset and did not consider that BEV charging and charging stations might be very different.

[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

I have read a few folks say that that and never agreed. I have never liked cars with gas fill on the passenger side - always has been an inconvenience to me.

The only advantage I ever found to the passenger side gas cap is that more cars in America have it on the driver side, so at busy gas stations I could more easily snag a pump, including at the long Costco lines.

Another advantage of the driver's side is fueling up in freezing weather - much easier to rush out to start the pump, and get back in the driver's seat to wait for it to finish.

[Paladin1]

The energy (power) the car can receive (and the rate at which it can receive it) is based on the voltage architecture of the battery (right now, generally 400v or 800v) and the rated capacity of the onboard charger (195 kW in the case of the iX). Also dependent upon external factors like battery temperature and state of charge. The maximum power any particular DCFC can deliver is based on amps × volts = watts. Also dependent upon station configuration (power sharing, derating), temperature, and design (cable cooling, for example). These apply equally to Tesla Superchargers or CCS stations. A little more technical explanation:

https://www.alexwhittemore.com/ev-charging-101/

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

I have read a few folks say that that and never agreed. I have never liked cars with gas fill on the passenger side - always has been an inconvenience to me. It is an extra PITA in a garage when charging at home. IMHO, dumb.

But, the really dumb part is a port on the side in general. It should be either in rear or on the nose. Nose is easier. They located it with a legacy ICEV mindset and did not consider that BEV charging and charging stations might be very different.

This sounds like a religious debate

I like to park rear in. I have a family member that has choice words for folks like me that like to park in this way. So I would have no problems with a rear charge port. BTW - there have been plenty of ICE vehicles with filler nozzles in the rear of the car. This location would also work for street side parking in many cases but dependent on where the pedestal for the EVSE is placed. This also makes street site parking inconvenient for diagonal parking where you need to nose in first but would work great in hilly cities that have this configuration with a back-in arrangement in a diagonal.

Front port requires the driver to always pull in nose first and might be more prone to damage in a minor accident but the Leaf seems to show that this configuration works well. I don't know if I would want all that snow, salt grime on the front charge port but again, the Leaf seems to show this works.

There is no perfect port location especially when you consider RHD vs LHD needs of a global fleet. Each placement has its tradeoffs. I actually like the two port option if the ports are hidden and not some clunky panel -- think EV6, vs Chevy Blazer EV. Until then, I have no problem with the passenger side port so I don't have to open my door into a dispenser for pull through charging locations. Even in my garage, when I plug in I can continue to my house without the need to return to the driver side to sit down so there is no inconvenience.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by Pictor

This sounds like a religious debate ... I like to park rear in ... Front port requires the driver to always pull in nose first and might be more prone to damage in a minor accident but the Leaf seems to show that this configuration works well ... There is no perfect port location especially when you consider RHD vs LHD needs of a global fleet.

Yup. I usually back in, but would adapt to the port location. I think nose or back is best, because it eliminates cable length and dispenser configuration from being an issue. Nose seems easier, since there is usually stuff in the way below a hatch in the back.

I think that Hyundai's and Leaf's configurations are best all around and seem to be proven fine from many units sold that way.

Taycan's two-port option is a head-scratcher to me, and is especially odd considering NACS coming.

The GM Ultium solution is an absolute dumpster fire - possibly the worst on the market.

[MAMOHT]

Ooh. I used to work at a ppace where back in parking was a requirement for security reasons. It is simply easier and faster to leave the place in case of any big problems.
Also, look at this place

https://www.plugshare.com/location/248833

Diagonal parking with rather short cables. Clearly designed for front located ports.
Everyone just drives the wrong way and backs in. First time I went there I tried to do it the right way and, oh boy, what it took me to back into that spot.

[CaboM4]

Originally Posted by Pictor

There is no perfect port location especially when you consider RHD vs LHD needs of a global fleet.

Porsche decided that one on both sides was the way around it, lol

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by MAMOHT

But with iX you have to double park and the charging speed will be very slow.

I'm looking forward to double-parking at a Tesla SC in the near future.

#occupytesla

[MAMOHT]

https://insideevs.com/news/710789/te...harger-stalls/

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by MAMOHT

https://insideevs.com/news/710789/te...harger-stalls/

Tesla sells its customers down the river. Again.

[Bevforme]

Originally Posted by MAMOHT

But with iX you have to double park and the charging speed will be very slow.

I’m in the UK where we have access to some Tesla Supercharger locations.

Charged recently at both a V3 and then a V4.

V3 location I had to take up two bays.

V4 location the cable reached so I just took up one bay.

I didn’t notice any difference in initial charging rate.

V3 started at 189kW.
V4 started at 183kW.

[JSTARR]

I am pleasantly surprised by how quickly charging infrastructure is growing, evolving and cross-pollinating right now. It felt like things were stuck in a bad place until around last fall.
The next two years will bring massive improvement and normalization.
Seeing gas station chains becoming charging hubs is really a sign of the times.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by JSTARR

I am pleasantly surprised by how quickly charging infrastructure is growing, evolving and cross-pollinating right now. It felt like things were stuck in a bad place until around last fall.
The next two years will bring massive improvement and normalization.
Seeing gas station chains becoming charging hubs is really a sign of the times.

The EV industry is experiencing normal growing pains. The media will exaggerate everything, both the good and the bad, and poor ignorant chumps will glom onto anything that feeds their confirmation bias. What's happening reminds of the old saying… First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

[JSTARR]

well said.
The non-Tesla rate of worldwide ev sales expansion says it all.
There are so many fine vehicles come to market.