[darylp310]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

I am hoping there is a LCI i4 M50 with a HP increase to 590 at least. Considering the Model 3P will reportedly be making 600HP, BMW should at least try and keep pace.

hotrod182 Doesn’t the rumored quad motor i4 scratch that itch?

[ghaffari46]

Please make it look a little meaner.

Mine looks like a funny joke in the middle of the parking lot!

[spool twice]

The current real-world range is more than enough to get through most driving before needing to take a pit stop at a charging station. But, still curious to see what improvements they have as I understand that not everyone can charge from home or have a decent infrastruture in their area.

[stone_1]

As for the looks, even small improvements can make a difference and it’s sound like they are collaborating with ONE, the makers of the Gemini battery. The iconic glow is such a cool feature in BMWs and I can understand why you love it. I’m just as excited as you can see how it will be incorporated into the iX and let’s hope BMW delivers with an impressive power increase maybe even reaching 590HP or more. It’s gonna be awesome 👏

[ricerboi]

Originally Posted by i4M50Guy

Your bladder won’t last 400/500/600 miles anyway! Charging infrastructure is so much better now (outside the US at least) that we don’t need massive battery range.

You can’t really take the 400-600 miles at face value. As someone who’s at 52k miles through 19 months of iX 50 ownership with a claimed 320 miles of range, I’m getting 240-260 highway range (100% to 1%) during SoCal spring-fall, and down to 150-190 miles (no HVAC) during long winter road trips. If you’re taking a 30-40% hit on that claimed range in “worst-case” winters, 400-600 miles will become 240-360 winter miles which is more reasonable.

The real solution will be a compromise, which is smaller battery/lower weight to yield probably 375-425 claimed miles. 800V charging is good futureproofing but from my extensive EA charging experience all over the West Coast and into the mountain regions, it won’t make a huge difference.

By the way, I had a i4 M50 as a loaner and WOW that was fun. Can’t wait for that i4M or even i5M if quad motor is where they’re going with this!

[ynguldyn]

Looks like my post has allowed BMW Blog to start talking about what they know (it's almost like an embargo but imposed by unofficial sources), so if you want to learn about the batteries, head over there.

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

Honestly, I'd rather have 1/2 the battery and 1500 pounds less weight. 300 miles is plenty.

Except 300 miles is not the real range…

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Windshieldfarmer

Except 300 miles is not the real range…

For me it is. I just need (want) 200 in the dead of winter (well below freezing).

[Windshieldfarmer]

That is highly inadequate for me….since I only typically use 80% of capacity before charging (160 miles)… that makes it nearly impossible to drive two hours without a 30 minute stop…makes long trips miserable. Hey…but your use case is far different than mine.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by Windshieldfarmer

That is highly inadequate for me….since I only typically use 80% of capacity before charging (160 miles)… that makes it nearly impossible to drive two hours without a 30 minute stop…makes long trips miserable. Hey…but your use case is far different than mine.

How fast do you drive?

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

How fast do you drive?

80mph on interstate. 72 mph on two lane. Live in Kansas…pretty open and windy out here. Family located in central South Dakota.

[r0wr]

I really don’t understand people’s obsession with range. I have an EV and in 15k miles, I’ve literally charged it once outside of my own garage. I get that everyone has different use cases but how often are people traveling long distance to need 300+ miles on a regular basis?

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by Windshieldfarmer

80mph on interstate. 72 mph on two lane. Live in Kansas…pretty open and windy out here. Family located in central South Dakota.

That’ll do it. It takes some quality freebird driving to pull iX range down to the low 200s.

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

That’ll do it. It takes some quality freebird driving to pull iX range down to the low 200s.

That’s how fast people drive around here on interstate. I am not an outlier. In cold weather it drops to the low 200s…better in warm weather. I leased the IX because it’s actually pretty good compared to a number of others. If I could get 300 miles of real range in cold weather at high speed I would be a very happy camper!

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by Windshieldfarmer

That’s how fast people drive around here on interstate. I am not an outlier. In cold weather it drops to the low 200s…better in warm weather. I leased the IX because it’s actually pretty good compared to a number of others. If I could get 300 miles of real range in cold weather at high speed I would be a very happy camper!

No judgement intended. I drive in Georgia, which is NASCAR in clear driving. But traffic keeps me from sustained speed.

[bimmerBiz]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

U not going to get batteries that are 600 mile range. Come on.

Originally Posted by ggalanis

Going from seeing a line in the opening post saying "A battery refresh is also possible." to assuming they are doubling the range of the iX is beyond optimistic.

Sorry to not have backed that up. BMW have quietly mentioned they are currently testing 600 mile (some hybrid battery) range iX's as we speak. I honestly thought they were doing it just for the Neue Klasse vehicles but the iX is the plan as far as I've researched.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by darylp310

hotrod182 Doesn’t the rumored quad motor i4 scratch that itch?

I am absolutely interested in the 1000HP+ version. However, that is years out. And as that is a test mule, we don't even know what chassis the quad motor will actually be installed into. I was hoping for a LCI M50 i4 with more HP that I could transition into next year. When KIA EVGT/Hyundai N Models are making 576-641 HP, and the Model 3 Performance, 600HP, the 536HP BMW i4 M50 needs a HP upgrade!

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by bimmerBiz

Sorry to not have backed that up. BMW have quietly mentioned they are currently testing 600 mile (some hybrid battery) range iX's as we speak. I honestly thought they were doing it just for the Neue Klasse vehicles but the iX is the plan as far as I've researched.

The hybrid battery system has severe compromises on the recharging side of things if i am not mistaken.... They didn't magically double the capacity of current batteries without sacrificing energy density, volumetric density, charge/discharge rates, etc. You should expect incremental improvements if any. Nothing more.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by i4M50Guy

I didn’t say it was. It’s easily achievable though. It would be aimed at standard models though. Performance models would have a different battery tech better suited to performance.

How is it easily achievable? Do you have expertise in this area?

Originally Posted by hotrod182

I am hoping there is a LCI i4 M50 with a HP increase to 590 at least. Considering the Model 3P will reportedly be making 600HP, BMW should at least try and keep pace.

Tesla doesn't quote actual horsepower. Never, ever. Why? Because back when it sold the P95 it was sued by owners for misrepresenting that model's horsepower. Tesla quoted the theoretical maximum its motors can handle, not the actual horsepower output. This was the basis of a lawsuit, I believe. Instead of being truthful Tesla opted to remove all references to horsepower on its web site. There have been so many lawsuits over Tesla's lies...

There are far more important metrics than horsepower. What good is 600 HP when Tesla doesn't make a sport suspension to handle such horsepower? There is no difference between the suspensions of its P vs non-P models with the exception of some superficial lowering. That's it. They handle like garbage.

Fishtailing a Tesla to the fastest 0-60 from a stoplight is not my idea of enjoyment. This reminds me of the days long ago when Firebird and Trans Am owners thought they were driving sports cars.

Originally Posted by r0wr

I really don’t understand people’s obsession with range. I have an EV and in 15k miles, I’ve literally charged it once outside of my own garage. I get that everyone has different use cases but how often are people traveling long distance to need 300+ miles on a regular basis?

Probably once or twice per year. I regularly achieve 370+ miles in my iX and it meets 99% of my needs. Most people will never use the full range we currently have. In fact, for my daily needs I charge the car to only 60%.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by ggalanis

The hybrid battery system has severe compromises on the recharging side of things if i am not mistaken.... They didn't magically double the capacity of current batteries without sacrificing energy density, volumetric density, charge/discharge rates, etc. You should expect incremental improvements if any. Nothing more.

What i see from the bmwblog article is that they are saying 700+ km for the new equivalent of the ix50 ...on the wltp cycle. The current one has 608 km (or 600+ as marketing would write it) on the wltp cycle.... So expect about a max 15% increase in range. 10% in real conditions is more likely.

[Macphisto]

Is the Neue Klasse X a replacement for the iX? Would they exist side by side?

[Kief]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

I am absolutely interested in the 1000HP+ version. However, that is years out. And as that is a test mule, we don't even know what chassis the quad motor will actually be installed into. I was hoping for a LCI M50 i4 with more HP that I could transition into next year. When KIA EVGT/Hyundai N Models are making 576-641 HP, and the Model 3 Performance, 600HP, the 536HP BMW i4 M50 needs a HP upgrade!

+1
Feel the same, and I’m cautiously optimistic that the LCI M50 i4 is more than just cosmetic changes in order to be more competitive. It’s on my short list to replace my RS etron GT in Oct when my lease is up. I’m very interested to see how the upgraded Model 3P turns out, which is about drop any day now…