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      12-12-2018, 09:52 AM   #111
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Or, as I point out on an almost daily basis: Another day in the Trump White House........
Meh - I'm not a Trump hater or Trump basher. He has certainly done some good things for this country. Turning an arrest into a political football isn't one of them, however, and he should be criticized accordingly.
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Yeah, that's horseshit. Trump should have kept his mouth shut. Complete crap that someone is arrested for what appears to be a legitimate charge and then the President says he would intervene to forge a trade deal?

That's crap, man. He (Trump) should be ashamed.
Trump couldn't resist an opportunity to advance his trade agenda and make his "friend" Justin look weak in one fell stroke. But let's be clear - he certainly has the power to do this. Another thing we should be clear about is that it isn't Iranian sanctions or Trump's trade agenda that motivated these charges. It is the concern in the "national security community" over Huawei.
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Yeah, that's horseshit. Trump should have kept his mouth shut. Complete crap that someone is arrested for what appears to be a legitimate charge and then the President says he would intervene to forge a trade deal?

That's crap, man. He (Trump) should be ashamed.
Completely agree.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kel...awei-1.4941219
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Trump couldn't resist an opportunity to advance his trade agenda and make his "friend" Justin look weak in one fell stroke. But let's be clear - he certainly has the power to do this. Another thing we should be clear about is that it isn't Iranian sanctions or Trump's trade agenda that motivated these charges. It is the concern in the "national security community" over Huawei.
That's the problem. Trudeau isn't even involved. He has stayed away from this and has let the RCMP deal with this as it is not a political issue.
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Even if she did abscond, who cares, no skin of Canada's back.
Putting aside the fact that she is also in violation of Canadian law... It would definitely be really embarrassing for Canada to have such a high-profile alleged international criminal jump bail. That's skin.
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Putting aside the fact that she is also in violation of Canadian law... It would definitely be really embarrassing for Canada to have such a high-profile alleged international criminal jump bail. That's skin.
Which Canadian laws?
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But, he can pardon ANYONE
Pardon just keep you out of jail and returns some rights but it doesn't wipe the federal conviction from your record.
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But, he can pardon ANYONE
Pardon just keep you out of jail and returns some rights but it doesn't wipe the federal conviction from your record.
I think you're mistaken. My understanding is a pardon makes the charge like it never happened.
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Putting aside the fact that she is also in violation of Canadian law... It would definitely be really embarrassing for Canada to have such a high-profile alleged international criminal jump bail. That's skin.
Which Canadian laws?
Fraud. Falsifying financial records.
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Fraud. Falsifying financial records.
Those are US charges not Canadian.
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Fraud. Falsifying financial records.
Those are US charges not Canadian.
Falsifying financial records is illegal in both the US and Canada.

Edit: There were also violations of EU sanctions.
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But, he can pardon ANYONE
Pardon just keep you out of jail and returns some rights but it doesn't wipe the federal conviction from your record.
I think you're mistaken. My understanding is a pardon makes the charge like it never happened.
"While a presidential pardon will restore various rights lost as a result of the pardoned offense and should lessen to some extent the stigma arising from a conviction, it will not erase or expunge the record of your conviction. Therefore, even if you are granted a pardon, you must still disclose your conviction on any form where such information is required, "

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardo...d-instructions
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Falsifying financial records is illegal in both the US and Canada.

Edit: There were also violations of EU sanctions.
These are not Canadian criminal code violations. They are violations of sanctions imposed by the UN Security Council.
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Falsifying financial records is illegal in both the US and Canada.

Edit: There were also violations of EU sanctions.
These are not Canadian crime code violations. They are violations of sanction imposed by the UN Security Council.
You're letting yourself be distracted by the motivation for the fraud.

The fact that Huawei falsified financial records is in itself a violation of both US and Canadian law. You're not really saying it is legal to falsify financial records in Canada are you?
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You're letting yourself be distracted by the motivation for the fraud.

The fact that Huawei falsified financial records is in itself a violation of both US and Canadian law. You're not really saying it is legal to falsify financial records in Canada are you?
She can falsify anything she wants to. As long as they have nothing to do with Canadian financial institutions or Revenue Canada, it's none of our business.

She denied any direct connection to US bankers between Huawei and SkyCom, when in fact SkyCom is Huawei. SkyCom violated UN imposed sanctions dealing with IRAN. If she extradited to the US. It will be the US that tries her for violating United Nations in Security Council Resolution 2231

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You're letting yourself be distracted by the motivation for the fraud.

The fact that Huawei falsified financial records is in itself a violation of both US and Canadian law. You're not really saying it is legal to falsify financial records in Canada are you?
She can falsify anything she wants to. As long as they have nothing to do with Canadian financial institutions or Revenue Canada, it's none of our business.

She denied any direct connection to US bankers between Huawei and SkyCom, when in fact SkyCom is Huawei. SkyCom violated UN imposed sanctions dealing with IRAN. If she extradited to the US. It will be the US that tries her for violating United Nations in Security Council Resolution 2231
She cannot file fraudulent financial reports in Canada without breaking Canadian law. She did that... The attorney representing the Canadian AG made this case to the Supreme Court of BC. He stated that Huawei "made a series of misrepresentations about the relationship between the two companies to the banks." Misrepresenting financial details is fraud and not legal in Canada.

I agree that Canada isn't pressing the violations of Canadian law; and the press is focused on violations of US law... But Huawei did allegedly break Canadian laws against fraud and falsifying financial records.
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"While a presidential pardon will restore various rights lost as a result of the pardoned offense and should lessen to some extent the stigma arising from a conviction, it will not erase or expunge the record of your conviction. Therefore, even if you are granted a pardon, you must still disclose your conviction on any form where such information is required,*"

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardo...d-instructions
Does anyone think she would care, as long as she gets her Chinese passport back and isn't in jail? Somehow I don't see her "applying for a job" anywhere it might matter
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She cannot file fraudulent financial reports in Canada without breaking Canadian law. She did that... The attorney representing the Canadian AG made this case to the Supreme Court of BC. He stated that Huawei "made a series of misrepresentations about the relationship between the two companies to the banks." Misrepresenting financial details is fraud and not legal in Canada.

I agree that Canada isn't pressing the violations of Canadian law; and the press is focused on violations of US law... But Huawei did allegedly break Canadian laws against fraud and falsifying financial records.
These were American Banks...none of these 'crimes' occurred in Canada with any Canadian Banks.

"Banks in the U.S. cleared money for Huawei, but unbeknownst to these financial firms, they were conducting business with Skycom in contravention of the sanctions, the lawyer said.

In her dealings with the banks, Meng hid ties between Huawei and Skycom, when in fact Skycom employees worked for the Chinese telecom-equipment giant, Gibb-Carsley added. He noted that some Skycom workers used Huawei email addresses and employees in Iran used a different set of stationary. Canada is presenting the case against Meng on behalf of the U.S., which wants to extradite her."
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These were American Banks...none of these 'crimes' occurred in Canada with any Canadian Banks.
The point is that bank fraud is a crime in Canada, punishable by up to 10 years in jail. It is not necessary for any bank fraud to occur in Canada. One of the interesting wrinkles in this case is that it appears that Skycom didn't actually sell any sanctioned products to the Iranians. So the U.S. is trying to convict Meng of a cover-up to a crime that wasn't committed.

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The point is that bank fraud is a crime in Canada, punishable by up to 10 years in jail. It is not necessary for any bank fraud to occur in Canada.
It's called jurisdiction. The crime was not committed in Canada...thats why she is being extradited.

I guess we should start arresting every American tourist that steps foot in Canada who has a concealed carry permit. It's illegal to carry a handgun in Canada even though the crime didn't occur in Canada.

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Michael Spavor: Second Canadian 'missing' in China http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-46548614
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