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You guys are complaining about range... I can agree with you, however why hasn't anyone brought up the increasing grill sizes? I personally don't think i'll be buying a BMW soon due to the gigantuous grill growth rates.
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But I have family that lives 200 miles away and take a 500 mile trip to the beach once a year. So maybe 5 times a year I need decent range. That's enough for me not to compromise it, and that's pretty typical for people in the mid-southern US. I drove 200 miles today, the last 80 or so into decent hills (Nashville TN). My 540 says I can go another 320+ without stopping for gas. Hard to beat that peace of mind.
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For me who makes regular trips around 4-5 times years during all seasons to our vacation home witch is around 202 miles away from home or 326 km in metric distance. I care quite a lot about the range but have chosen the the m50 over the 40 and will have to make a stop on the way down and home and usually one of those stops is around 15 min to buy some food go to the rest room etc. And that little rest stop will give me in 15 min from 34% battery to 70% sense that place where i stop has a couple of 350 kw charger. But here is also another reason for some people to not make the jump and i can feel this a bit to even though i have driven i3 for quite some time, it is that when i arrive to that specific charger if it will be occupied i have no other alternatives on the road down there so that 15 min rest could become an 30-50 min if not more depending how many more people is there and charging. So suddenly my 4 hour road trips turns to a 5 hour trip, And that is where regular fuels has the advantage still, being in so many places and topping up a car goes fast. So this for EVs will be an obstacle for some time more until more of the petrol companies also starts investing in chargers then they can offer both and earn money on both. Quote:
I always charge my car at home it is easy and i have never ever had range anxiety in my day to day life. Car is always topped up in the morning and pre heated same with work i have all the possibility to charge their also free of charge. But yes the solution isn't always adding more battery cells that tends to increase weight for very little range gain as with air planes there is a certain amount if weight an air plane should have and how much fuel it should take on based on the current weight of it witch can cause a negative spiral where adding more weight causes more fuel consumption and more emissions so yeah weight is a factor in this also. So same goes with cars adding more weight isn't good. But as with the i3 where BMW worked a lot with carbon tech and also gained the money back on the R&D around the car witch they also said they did. Then it shouldn't have been to hard maybe making roof, trunk, hood in carbon-fibre parts reducing more weight or adding more components in carbon-fibre, considering the amount they have invested in this, that should not have been an issue but then again the i4 was probably never meant to have those parts or is reserved for some GT version up ahead witch is more track focused who knows. But if we are to go by the numbers on the configuration site, where adding the carbon package for 31-33k gives you a but more range not much but a bit, and with that they could have made the carbon package more in line with adding stuff like lightweight alloys, roof, trunk etc... i am sure more people would have chosen that package both because of range gain but also helping to reduce the cars weight 2.2 tonnes is heavy.
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These are the demands of owning an EV. I also second the point about who the M50 can do over the Tesla with the sacrifice of range taken in to account. The M50 is built to move! We've seen the various lines of M cars get heavier and heavier of the years. But those cars still perform.
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Let's be honest people. The vast majority of BMWs are initially sold as low mileage leases and therefore rarely if ever go on extended roadtrips. People either fly or use another vehicle. Just like owners of Tesla.
The range of theae vehicles falls squarely within the profile of a typical owner. BMW has the data after all. As for comments on towing with a BMW sedan. It's about as frequent as people wanting to take an X5 off roading. Basically just a hair above never.
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An M50 with the 19" wheels like the e40 only differs in range by about 13 miles or so. 282 vs 270.
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Rolling resistence (weight, tire compound, size of contact patch).
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If these things really have significantly limited range - and thus fall in to somewhat a "supplemental" role for some rather than a replacement role for all, are we really accomplishing what we are trying to accomplish?
Is more cars driving the same number of total miles a good outcome? Is it more "green"? It takes a lot of energy to build these things. If the EV is an extra for putting around town (even for some portion of customers) is that success? |
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The reality is consumers have a wide spread of needs, and no one car or powertrain (ICE vs EV) is perfect for everyone. Right now, EVs make sense for a subset of consumers. That subset will continue to grow as range increases, prices come down, and infrastructure expands. My issue with buying an EV right now is the rate of improvement is so rapid, that if you buy now your options will be so much better in 3 - 5 years. That's fine with something like an iPhone 4, but not a $60K asset. |
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Right now a good PHEV makes waaayyy more sense to me.
I just bought a Mini Cooper SE (full EV) for my business and using it until I get the full wrap finalized.
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I'm not saying there are zero weak points or that more range would not be welcome, but people talk like it's just a dealbreaker for everyone that maybe there's a remote highway in Wyoming that isn't doable. The reality is that you can now go pretty much anywhere on the freeway and have multiple stop options to charge up, and you might be surprised to find you can drive all day and the trip is maybe only 30 minutes longer overall than it would have been in an ICE. I can only speak from experience for I-15 and I-80, but you've got a 350kw DC option every 80 miles on average. They're frequent enough you hardly have to plan. |
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There are many charging station brands to choose from, some even local public municipalities that aren't listed but would be on a GPS map.
In my area, the city has a few DC fast charging stations that aren't listed unless you visit the county/city website. Other than that, you can choose from: -EA -EVgo -ChargePoint I'm sure there are more, but when I look at the full map, each state seems to have there fair share, but I'm not certain if they are all fully juiced up or if they are dummy stations until they decide to activate them.
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You can find the data but it appears after year 4-5 a hybrid/BEV begins to pull ahead of ICE in terms of lifecycle emissions.
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I wouldn't think about it too much, manufacturers are ramping up huge amount of credits from there EV offerings to be able to sell ICE cars for a long time. It's not because some manufacturers jump on the hype train and declare stupid stuff like all there cars will be EVs that everyone is going to do it.
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